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- Still digging the dark match / pre-opener match as opposed to starting with a promo... something I wish WWE would do more, honestly.

- Another thing I wish WWE would do, an authority figure that's more Jack Tunny and less "The Authority"... still a prominent figure but not the centerpiece of the show. As much fun as taking the reigns of Ed White was I'm glad that shit's over. Nobody handled Ed like William, anything I Justin or Jeff did with Ed paled in comparison. Good simple straightforward segment. I love that it's Kelly going forward, she's a fantastic character to write for.

- Just a note going forward. Ed is back in the ether, he's not mine. But I'm absolutely claiming Jane and Nicky. I've grown to really like those characters and plan to do a lot with them going forward. So they're less NPC now (especially Jane)

- The transitions between segments is much smoother.

- I miss the micro head-shots topping each match, btw, don't know if I'm the only one. I miss the use of our micros period. That shit was a really dope unique aspect of DEF I think we need to bring back. It was always a neat selling point and set us apart from the usual posers or sourced images.

- Props to James for perfect use of Walker over the last like... shit, year? What a fantastic old vet midcard linchpin he's become. The stuff you guys have done with him, Donovan, STJ, etc. has given the midcard a real consistent presence on the cards.

- LOVE the voice over [v/o] announcer patter over some of the backstage segments. I'm so using that in the future.

- Diggin' Samuel T. Turner II. Absolute right gear change for the character.

- Consider Don Hollywood jobber dejure, I have zero plans for the character. He could do with some "seasoning" in the jobber pool for the foreseeable future.

- I like Lindsay Troy a lot more in segments on her own. The character's... well, character shines through a lot more sans the BDH. Rayne and Elliot have always just sort of "been there" for me while Troy seems to have a real voice.

- Noble / Holiday was a fantastically written match.

- I bow down to our HOSS overlords. Great promo. More promos... MORE~!

- Mushigihara and Eddie Dante fucking rule. Love that gimmick. DEF's got some absolutely top notch manager characters right now man.

- HOSS vs. BDH's should be good.

- Jane segment... *grins*

- Jonny Booya is so solid.



So yeah, overall a really good show. Earliness is always good.

Really looking forward to the next few shows.
 
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Malachi vs. Masato:
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The Edward White Story: Epilogue:
And just like that, the Kelly Evans era has started. Having to pivot from Edward White and everything behind the scenes on that was never going to be easy, but this has been well done with RPs, Newsposts, and now this segment. The personality of Evans is perfect I think to deal with the various characters here. To the point and explosive.

What’s Next:
Great seg here to play up some of the insecurities amongst Donovan and Matthews. Penn coming in and stirring things up further is only making those insecurities better.

Jake Donovan vs. Tyrone Walker
Got to read this match before the show and really enjoyed it. The Curtis Penn part was not in there and it reminds me of Randy Orton circa 2002 at Survivor Series when he was injured. Hilarious and a great way to keep him relevant during his injury. The spot with the multiple near falls and normally something difficult to pull off, so well done to James.

New Boss Same Plan:
I know the title of the seg telegraphs it, but was shocked to see Kelly actually stick to the plan. I imagine some resentment is lingering with Kelly from the Dane/Dusty stuff as well, so that is helping drive that as well. Still, showed a bit as to what kind of boss Evans is going to be: one who marches to her own drum and no one else’s.

In Samuel We Fear:
Liking STT keeping to the script even with Ed Turner gone. Shows that STT is now his own man and he is doing things his way. Love the Keyes appearance and STT vs. Keyes would be all fists and kicks and BIG MAN WRESTLING. Keyes name dropped the BELL CLAP and I marked out, because everything should be about the Bell Clap! Can’t wait to see where things go with this.

STT vs. Don Hollywood:
For some reason, when I heard the name “Dapper” Don Hollywood I thought of an alternate universe Donald Drapper. Anyways. Loved that Keyes showed up and threw STT off of his game. Making the save afterwards. Still, the spot of the evening was Keyes doing the claps as if he was giving the Bell Clap. Phenomenal.

What You Know:
Wrote this with Lindz. The original draft of this was, well, something else. Alas, none shall see it. Still, great seg and it has been YEARS since I actually wrote a seg or something with Lindz. Was as fun as I remember it (you know, with her insulting me every five seconds and all).

A-Tisket, A-Tasket II:
Short, sweet, to the point. Plus, there’s Code Red in it. Man, I miss that shit.

Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is:
Solid segment here between Alceo and Dewey. I like Alceo taking advantage of the situation now that Ed White is gone and trying to turn it around for himself.

Noble vs. Holiday:
Wrote this with Ken. One of my favorite writing partners in DEFIANCE. Makes things so easy and the outline we came up for this match was so good. I think the match came out great and can’t wait to keep the work going moving forward.

HOSS Gon’ Give it to Ya:
Sweet promo from Angel here to hype up Wade vs. Trinidad. Good stuff here. Not much else to say about that.

Press X Not To Die:
I laughed at the ending, HARD. I also loved how every single sound effect known to mankind seemingly made its way into this seg. Loving Mushi just destroying everyone in his path.

Angel Trinidad vs. Wade Elliott:
Fun match here with some HOSS like wrestling! And then the set up for BDH vs. HOSS? Oh yeah. It’s time for some fighting to happen. Though, it does seem like that BDH just gets into epic brawls and fights with everyone.

A Bosses Work is Never Done:
Color me super intrigued. Though I imagine one of those ideas was some kind of kinky sex show.

Eugene Dewey (c) vs. Alceo Dentari:
I laughed at Vinny rushing to the ropes and sticking his hand out to celebrate with Dewey. Great match all around, ton of action, and loved it overall. The ending caught me off guard. What the hell is Booya doing??

Overall, phenomenal show. Let’s keep it going!
 

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Just FYI... you don't HAVE to use the segment by segment format or any format for that matter. I know the hangup with feedback is "finding something to say" about a segment or match you don't really have any opinion about. Just hit the high points, that's what I did.

Anything is better than dead silence.


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DARK MATCH: MALACHI v. MASATO ISHIMARU
There were some derpy bits with the commentary in this one where lines should have been Angus’ or vice versa, should have been Keebs’. Short squash, nothing really to say.

THE EDWARD WHITE STORY: EPILOGUE
It will be odd without Dane, but I dig the reasoning for his self imposed departure from being an on screen talent… That said, I think if we’re (as a group) given a little time to really sharpen the edges of Kelly’s role, we’ll have her set exactly how she needs to be as the new boss… For the record, I personally would prefer her to not be in favor of anyone, more even keeled, though still her joyous and profane self, hah.

WHATS NEXT?
Jon and Rob did a nifty job on this, I chipped in at the end to help smooth over some booking questions for the match that this proceeds.


JAKE DONOVAN v. TYRONE WALKER
Okay so the show needed another match for spacing, I offered, that’s mostly why it was booked OOC. I also wrote it in one night because CRAG dares to upstage me!... Also, hat tip to Blue for supplying assistance… Also, props to Jon for tagging in with the Curtis Penn spot later in the match.

NEW BOSS, SAME PLAN
Dave and I wrote this. I was trying for Kelly not favoring either, but leaning towards Ryan because of his involvement in the Edward White situation, while acknowledging she’d normally be receptive to what Dusty wanted. Circumstances and whatnot, but in case it seems like she was “heeling” on Dusty, wasn’t necessarily my intention, but I also know I don’t see Kelly as someone who is going to take flack about stuff, especially when she’s already made up her mind.

IN SAMUEL WE FEAR
I like Sam “shooting” here, completely breaking the old “Rednek Rekker” gimmick in the process as a complete “work.” I dig the setup, Sam talks shit, the guy overhears and there we are. It’s as simple as that folks, now put them in a match and have it get real deep, they could continue fighting into next arc with the right booking.

SAMUEL TURNER THE SECOND v. DON HOLLYWOOD
Poor Don, he comes back from injury and gets wrecked by Turner, haha. Luckily for him, Keyes made the follow up appearance to help save him from Turner whooping too much worse... Also, for some reason this match appeared in black text when the show was posted, completely odd, I fixed it, so no big.

WHAT YOU KNOW
One of those uncomfortable conversations that I always root for to end up in a big fight… But, does Troy’s inclusion in this lead to anywhere as far as the Noble / MLM situation down the road? The writing is good, of course, so nothing else to say except… MOAR HIGH SCHOOL DRAMA SCENES! PLZKTHXBAI1! (for real, I’m invested in the story)... For those that missed it, you MISSED a huge planning session in DEFchat that involves DEFIANCE and MUSICALS! Oh yes, it will happen, folks.

A TISKET, A TASKET II
The setup… Bad things, maaaaaaaaan, bad things.

PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS
I have said it plenty of times, but I really like this confident Euge, who isn’t afraid to stand toe to toe with anyone. Really dig it. This was a fun bit and a nice little setup piece for the main event to turn it into a title match. Good work, Dames.

DAVID NOBLE v. FRANK HOLIDAY
Jay-zuss, FFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!... You know when RAW has a match with the likes of Ziggler vs Rollins and gives them the time to really put on a show that will give all of the fans something to enjoy? That’s what this match is, a really outstanding television match, but now here’s the problem… You got a paperview match coming up and the bar has been set with this match. Good luck, dudes, I look forward to that match at Aftershock… Also, it needs to be mentioned that the use a school boy to end it is a perfect choice for an ending, because the use of a finisher after the way the match played out would be entirely unnecessary.

HOSS GON GIVE IT TO YA
HOSS PROMO TIME IS THE BEST TIME EVER! Action packed as always and always in a nice tidy package. No muss, no fuss, just HOSSIN IT UP LIKE WAAAAAAAAAT!

PRESS X TO NOT DIE
Fucking Mushi wrecked all the food! That bastard! Hmm… If this doesn’t lead to some kind of Mushi vs VIAGRA type match of some sort, then I am disappoint.

ANGEL TRINIDAD v. WADE ELLIOTT
We go from a beautiful technical match featuring a pair of babyfaces to a good, old fashion hoss fight… AWESOME… Wade’s got the old man, who’s been around kinda grit, while Angel’s got the young lion piss and vinegar… I love that there is absolutely NOTHING fancy happening in this match, which makes it an outstanding contrast to the Holiday / Noble match… So much fun, good work Seth, as always.

A BOSSES WORK IS NEVER DONE
Evan done did wrote this with me on the assist, playing Stockton to his Malone.

FIST OF DEFIANCE: EUGENE DEWEY © v. ALCEO DENTARI
Haaaaaaaaaah, the Jesus Christ cut in, instant classic… There’s a couplafew instances where Keebs swears and while it’s not a big deal, I don’t think Keebs should cuss, at all, ever, but that’s my opinion… AWWWW BOOOOOOOOO!... Right as Euge is about to get his, JONNY BOOYA HAPPENS!... Hah… I loved the pacing, the constant heel shenanigans until Shields finally tosses them out, then playing up the panic with Dentari when he realizes he has to fight Euge straight up… Good, good stuff, Dames.

OVERALL: This might be my favorite show that we’ve done since going angled. Three good matches and some nifty segments that push things where they need to go.
 

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Opening match was a great way to warm up the crowd before moving into the real opening, which was Dane’s big announcement. I like the potential for Kelly Evens in charge, especially with the way she’s handled other notable moments in the past, so I can imagine some major. DO NOT MISS moments in the future.

Loved getting to write the match with James and doing some Jake/Ty stuff again, hope we’ll have the chance for more in the future.

Loved that Kelly was getting right down to business with Dan Ryan and then Dusty stopping by, I always loved the teaser aspects to the interactions, since we all know something is in the works, but getting little snippets just keeps the reader wanting more and focused on…well, reading.

Was great to see Samuel awe, fuck it, Sam T, playing up his whole change in attitude and speech patterns and it will be interesting seeing what he and Keyes come up with. It was great working with Chris and I’m sure Sam T and Jake will end up breaking their little tie somewhere in the future. Great follow up on the interaction with Keyes coming down for Sam’s match.

Love this line: For all we know, it’s a “Ding, Dong, Ed White’s Dead, Time to Celebrate” or whatever basket. Eat, drink, and be merry, Country, right?

Nobel vs Holiday was a good match and a great set up to a follow up match between them with the number one contendership on the line. I liked the addition of Mayweather at ringside, these added bits into matches make them feel more real and tye storylines closely to the matches that are playing out.

A little backstage talking then some backstage smashing both further their respective issues/storylines a bit and make for a great break between matches and a good set up leading into the next match. Rampaging God Beasts are always cool.

Good break down of the singles match to lead into the trios, I’ve really come to appreciate the set up and planning that goes into not only the individual cards, but the overall arcs that play out over the course of several shows.

Gotta wonder what Jane’s got cooking up and how Kelly will skew it to best suit her.

Main event was a hell of a match and of course, the card ends leaving the fans wondering what the hell was up with Jonny Booya and why he fucked up the match ending. Perfect time to run out of time, if there ever is, it will leave the fans talking and wondering, and leave the readers wondering too since essentially, we are the fans lol.
 

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Malachi vs. Masato Ishimaru
Did Ishimaru go under to a jobber or is Malachi a guy that I haven’t seen come in at all? If that’s the case then I really think we need to have some higher level NPCs and soon. If an introductory storyline calls for a loss then it’s probably a good idea it doesn’t happen to a jobber level NPC.

The Edward White Story: Epilogue
Kelly lays down the law and does it brilliantly. Gives an immediate sense of what kind of Boss she’s going to be, and that’s absolutely no nonsense.

I’m looking forward to this era more and more.

What’s Next
I want more Curtis Penn with a cast. I want Curtis Penn to have a cast for a long, long time to come. Please, say that’ll happen! As far as the Skybreakers go, James and Jeff’s departures have definitely thinned the Trios division to its bare bones, but I have a hard time thinking it’s far from done. The Skybreakers could be one of the teams to really emerge now, but I get the feeling that might be off the cards with the next match...

Jake Donovan vs. Tyrone Walker
I enjoyed the Curtis Penn interruption, but I’d have liked to have seen that be the end of the match. Maybe one of the two took advantage of the distraction rather than it carrying on for a short period after the DVD plug. That might go completely against where this is all going, but I think that would make for an interesting story. As it is the Penn stuff comes across as… I’m not sure if this is the right word, but unnecessary…

More like it filled time rather than provided a key point to the match.

New Boss, Same Plan
Agreed with Evan, the voice overs work. I can see them being used when people are walking backstage, or staring each other down, or whatever. They need to be used more. As far as content goes, I’m loving Kelly being in charge. It’s already obvious she’s not taking shit and she’s not taking sides. Just the kind of authority figure that’s needed after so long of good guy bad guy good guy bad guy.

Dan Ryan’s a sneaky mother…

In Samuel We Fear
I definitely wish we’d heard Sam’s thoughts on Edward White being arrested, but what was here was good. It’s nice to see Samuel getting fleshed out a little more.

Henry Keyes is one of my favorite gimmicks here as well. I just love the character. He’s working well as a face, but you just get that feeling he’s one of those guys where if a little more attention was paid to a different aspect of his personality he’d be a heel, and those guys are awesome. those are the guys that don’t get stale after a short period of time.

Sam/Keyes could be interesting.

Samuel T. Turner II vs. Don Hollywood
Nice. Classic booking. Sam wins in a glorified squash, Keyes is there to save Don before Sam can put a beating to him. It didn’t need to be any more than this and I hope it’s not. Pace the build, let it develop over time. I like it.

What You Know
I’m not sure who it is that keeps writing it, but it’s ‘Gorilla’ Position, as in Gorilla Monsoon, not ‘Guerilla’. Also I’ve never heard it called that on a show. We’ve been yelled at for breaking kayfabe before by referring to heels and faces and such, wouldn’t that fall into that same category?

A-Tisket A-Tasket II
Too much talking from the delivery guy in my opinion. Still, sets up something and the purpose of ‘who sent this’ is set up handily.

Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is
I wrote this.

David Noble vs. Frank Holiday
Some formatting issues with the crowd noises in this one. It’s Italics for crowd noises, bold and italics for sound effects.

Yeah, that was a damn good match, but the bar has been set high now. You guys are gonna have to go all out for the title match. I’m sure you can do it though.

HOSS Gon’ Give It To Ya
See, there’s a structure I’d like to have seen in Sam’s segment. A little bit about White, then onto the main body of the seg. This was great. HOSS actually feel like they’re missing something with White gone, like a safety net. Keeling was more buiness than usual and HOSS were less intimidating, which all makes perfect sense. Good worth, Seth.

Press X Not To Die
Very quick and very straight forward. No words needed between these two. My only question though, where were the rest of team VIAGRA?

Angel Trinidad vs. Wade Elliott
Another good match between two big guys. This had the right ending as well with Cappy making the save. The trios match next week is gonna be gud.

A Bosses Work Is Never Done
OK, definitely interested in where this one is going.

Eugene Dewey vs. Alceo Dentari
I wrote this as well.
 

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Malachi and Masato Ishimaru are both actual charaters in DEFIANE, not NPCs or jobbers.

Malachi vs. Masato Ishimaru
Did Ishimaru go under to a jobber or is Malachi a guy that I haven’t seen come in at all? If that’s the case then I really think we need to have some higher level NPCs and soon. If an introductory storyline calls for a loss then it’s probably a good idea it doesn’t happen to a jobber level NPC.

The Edward White Story: Epilogue
Kelly lays down the law and does it brilliantly. Gives an immediate sense of what kind of Boss she’s going to be, and that’s absolutely no nonsense.

I’m looking forward to this era more and more.

What’s Next
I want more Curtis Penn with a cast. I want Curtis Penn to have a cast for a long, long time to come. Please, say that’ll happen! As far as the Skybreakers go, James and Jeff’s departures have definitely thinned the Trios division to its bare bones, but I have a hard time thinking it’s far from done. The Skybreakers could be one of the teams to really emerge now, but I get the feeling that might be off the cards with the next match...

Jake Donovan vs. Tyrone Walker
I enjoyed the Curtis Penn interruption, but I’d have liked to have seen that be the end of the match. Maybe one of the two took advantage of the distraction rather than it carrying on for a short period after the DVD plug. That might go completely against where this is all going, but I think that would make for an interesting story. As it is the Penn stuff comes across as… I’m not sure if this is the right word, but unnecessary…

More like it filled time rather than provided a key point to the match.

New Boss, Same Plan
Agreed with Evan, the voice overs work. I can see them being used when people are walking backstage, or staring each other down, or whatever. They need to be used more. As far as content goes, I’m loving Kelly being in charge. It’s already obvious she’s not taking shit and she’s not taking sides. Just the kind of authority figure that’s needed after so long of good guy bad guy good guy bad guy.

Dan Ryan’s a sneaky mother…

In Samuel We Fear
I definitely wish we’d heard Sam’s thoughts on Edward White being arrested, but what was here was good. It’s nice to see Samuel getting fleshed out a little more.

Henry Keyes is one of my favorite gimmicks here as well. I just love the character. He’s working well as a face, but you just get that feeling he’s one of those guys where if a little more attention was paid to a different aspect of his personality he’d be a heel, and those guys are awesome. those are the guys that don’t get stale after a short period of time.

Sam/Keyes could be interesting.

Samuel T. Turner II vs. Don Hollywood
Nice. Classic booking. Sam wins in a glorified squash, Keyes is there to save Don before Sam can put a beating to him. It didn’t need to be any more than this and I hope it’s not. Pace the build, let it develop over time. I like it.

What You Know
I’m not sure who it is that keeps writing it, but it’s ‘Gorilla’ Position, as in Gorilla Monsoon, not ‘Guerilla’. Also I’ve never heard it called that on a show. We’ve been yelled at for breaking kayfabe before by referring to heels and faces and such, wouldn’t that fall into that same category?

A-Tisket A-Tasket II
Too much talking from the delivery guy in my opinion. Still, sets up something and the purpose of ‘who sent this’ is set up handily.

Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is
I wrote this.

David Noble vs. Frank Holiday
Some formatting issues with the crowd noises in this one. It’s Italics for crowd noises, bold and italics for sound effects.

Yeah, that was a damn good match, but the bar has been set high now. You guys are gonna have to go all out for the title match. I’m sure you can do it though.

HOSS Gon’ Give It To Ya
See, there’s a structure I’d like to have seen in Sam’s segment. A little bit about White, then onto the main body of the seg. This was great. HOSS actually feel like they’re missing something with White gone, like a safety net. Keeling was more buiness than usual and HOSS were less intimidating, which all makes perfect sense. Good worth, Seth.

Press X Not To Die
Very quick and very straight forward. No words needed between these two. My only question though, where were the rest of team VIAGRA?

Angel Trinidad vs. Wade Elliott
Another good match between two big guys. This had the right ending as well with Cappy making the save. The trios match next week is gonna be gud.

A Bosses Work Is Never Done
OK, definitely interested in where this one is going.

Eugene Dewey vs. Alceo Dentari
I wrote this as well.
 

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What You Know
I’m not sure who it is that keeps writing it, but it’s ‘Gorilla’ Position, as in Gorilla Monsoon, not ‘Guerilla’. Also I’ve never heard it called that on a show. We’ve been yelled at for breaking kayfabe before by referring to heels and faces and such, wouldn’t that fall into that same category?

I keep writing it, for two reasons:

1. That's how it's listed in our official arena layout which I try to use and reference as much as I can: http://defiancewrestling.com/images/Def-Arena/defarena-1st-floor-new.png
2. When I asked Justin months ago if "Guerilla" was a typo and should it be "Gorilla", he said it was not a typo and calling it that fits the attitude of the fed better.

I also recall you asking this a couple times during the LBC vs. BDH feud and my reply was the same. Maybe it slipped your mind that you asked already but now, hopefully, the question can be put to rest.

If Justin's changed his mind and wants this to be "Gorilla" instead of "Guerilla" then someone should either ask JP for the Photoshop source files and make the change themselves in that program, or someone can figure out how to edit the font without the source files and re-save the image.


Match of the Night:
Noble vs. Holiday, which means Hell is freezing over because I'm giving Craiggles props for something. :cool:

Segment of the Night:
Ed White Epilogue and HOSS Gon' Give It To Ya

Surprise of the Night:
Nothing stood out.

Babyface of the Night:
Noble (yes, Hell is definitely freezing over.)

Heel of the Night:
Mushi

MVP of the Night (IC):
Probably Kelly. I don't really want to give the nod to a staff character/NPC but her new role needed to be established to help move things forward and I think Justin did a great job with that.

Feels nice to be re-energized, yeah?

Line of the Night:
Nothing stood out.

What Ruled?
Lots of good story progression across the board with this show. I'm digging the Mushi stuff and Tony Davis was used perfectly in that seg.

What Sucked?
MORE BELL CLAPS, LESS TEASING OF BELL CLAPS.
#bellclaps
 
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I know I don't currently have anything to give to Defiance except witty banter, self-deprecation, and a can-do attitude, but seeing as the show's theme music (last time I looked) is "Killing in the Name" by Rage Against the Machine, and they have a song called "Guerrilla Radio," I'd think that "guerrilla position" would indeed fit better than the correct "gorrilla position." Also, just look at the name of the league: Defiance is rebellion. So, really, if you look at it like that, "guerrilla position" fits better.

But, what do I know? I wouldn't make it in Defiance.
 

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I know I don't currently have anything to give to Defiance except witty banter, self-deprecation, and a can-do attitude, but seeing as the show's theme music (last time I looked) is "Killing in the Name" by Rage Against the Machine, and they have a song called "Guerrilla Radio," I'd think that "guerrilla position" would indeed fit better than the correct "gorrilla position." Also, just look at the name of the league: Defiance is rebellion. So, really, if you look at it like that, "guerrilla position" fits better.

But, what do I know? I wouldn't make it in Defiance.

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Dafuq?
 

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Yeah, kind of what I was expecting having not introduced myself to anyone in Defiance. I feel like I've completely embarrassed myself.

I thought the show was of high quality, bar a few spelling mistakes, but I can forgive that. I'm not going to do a segment-by-segment review, because I feel like I've already said enough without embarrassing myself.
 

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MALACHI vs MASATO ISHIMARU
Nice little match here, appropriately short. I like the idea of having a DEFtv pre-show... but I have to admit it does throw off the flow of the card when you start with a match, with full commentary by DDK and Angus, and then we have to make a hard shift as the actual show kicks off. I almost wish there were B-team announcers to do this part, if commentary was necessary, or do it summary style, or even have it in a separate link (nod to Lindz) where your pre-show stuff can sit on its own and not just feel like an awkward extention of the main show.


THE EDWARD WHITE STORY: EPILOGUE
I wasn't a huge fan of dropping the Ed White coup angle like a hot potato without a satisfactory conclusion, considering how much untapped potential there was in it. But seeing as that's the way we went, I'll say Evan did a fantastic job of selling the swift downward spiral of White with his sequence of newsposts and RPs, and now here we are with a new regime under Kelly Evans: moving on. Expedient under the circumstances, if a bit disappointing that we couldn't do this hard reboot AFTER blowing off the takeover angle in a big match.


WHAT'S NEXT
Troy Matthews feeling lost, Jake Donovan looking on the bright side, and Curtis Penn being his usual annoying self. Backstage interactions like these are interesting in how they can lead to conflicts and drama down the road. Looking forward to it.


JAKE DONOVAN vs TYRONE WALKER
A match between teammates because why not? I liked Ty still fighting dirty even though Jake is his boy, with Angus fully behind him; but any appearance of Donovan bending the rules got Angus's derision. The Curtis Penn pledge drive interruption is so in-character for him, great stuff. I'm surprised this didn't end up affecting the outcome of the match in any real way, but you get the feeling that will happen at some point. Respect spot after Ty gets the pin on Jake. A good match.


NEW BOSS, SAME PLAN
I guess it's for the best that killing off the Ed White angle is going to have minimal side effects on other ongoing angles, or there'd have to be a LOT of rebooking for this arc. With that said, I'm glad Griffith vs Ryan is still happening... but if there's no WarGames anymore, why is this not being set for Aftershock? I liked the bit with Kelly sorting through White's stuff as she moves in.


IN SAMUEL WE FEAR
I liked this. STT2 explains his heel turn in a way that is completely logical and understandable, holding true to Mick Foley's philosophy that a heel's motivations should always make sense in his own mind. And then you've got space cadet Henry Keyes who is such a fun and unique character, and you bounce these guys off each other. This should be very entertaining.


SAMUEL T. TURNER JR vs DON HOLLYWOOD
The new vicious side of Sam on display, and it is good. Henry Keyes threatens to give Sam THE CLAP! What? I mean the BELL CLAP! This move is blowing up bigger than the Worm, the People's Elbow, and the Five Knuckle Shuffle combined. Wrestling doesn't have to be complicated. This is a great start to this rivalry!


WHAT YOU KNOW
I always kind of assumed "Guerilla Position" was a deliberate choice after the series of Guerilla Grindhouse shows we did. Anyway, here's where the "backstage world of DEFIANCE" really pays dividends because we (who did not know these characters from their previous feds) now understand that Lindsay Troy has a protective relationship with Mary-Lynn Mayweather, and David Noble has an adversarial relationship with LT. Is MLM putting herself back into a misfortunate position by getting close to Noble again? STAY TUNED! I liked the seg BTW. :)


A-TISKET, A-TASKET II
Tyler Rayne IS Homer Simpson in: "Mmm, Mysterious Gift Basket! Arrrrgggggle (drool)". Because what's not to trust about some free soda and bourbon in a wrestling promotion full of prankster types?


PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS
Non-title match between Eugene Dewey and Alceo Dentari gets upgraded to a FIST Title match. Sure, why not? I always love the LBC interacting with pretty much anyone, and this was solid stuff. I wonder how Kelly Evans feels about champs making their own title matches? Serious question, I genuinely don't know.


DAVID NOBLE vs FRANK HOLIDAY
Big props to Craig for writing this, and I did some minor cleanup after. MLM is having quite the impact on Noble lately, and now David has a SoHer Title match against Frank Holiday at Aftershock. To the doubters: yes, the PPV match is going to rule. :)


HOSS GON' GIVE IT TO YA...
Another great Team HOSS interview segment where Junior Keeling promises vengeance on Dan Ryan for the fall of Ed White, and we hype the Elliott/Trinidad match. Seth always delivers with these. Great stuff.


PRESS X TO NOT DIE
Look out! There's a Mushigihara coming through! The rampage that Eddie Dante promised to Ed White is continuing, and poor Tony Davis takes the brunt. Good news though: THE 3DS IS OKAY. With Kelly Evans replacing White at the helm, though, I wonder if Dante should go talk to her before this carnage carries on.


ANGEL TRINIDAD vs WADE ELLIOTT
A pretty darn good brawling match leading to predictable shenanigans by the other HOSSes, and we get a Trios Title Match booked for the next show. CAN. NOT. WAIT!


A BOSS'S WORK IS NEVER DONE
That's a heck of an apt title, because Kelly has been all over this card, and with good reason. Interesting wrinkle with Jane Katze trying to maneuver her way back into the fold after the Fall of White. The Kelly-Jane dynamic is a pretty interesting one and I hope to see more of it to come.


FIST OF DEFIANCE: EUGENE DEWEY (c) vs ALCEO DENTARI
I really liked this match. There were some funny meta jokes in the commentary (e.g.: Angus googling stuff at will; "Jesus Christ: Yes I did, Keebs."), and Vinny Rinaldi getting so caught up in Eugene's energy that he tried to slap hands with him was classic. Mark Shields being a useless lazy ass about enforcing the rules until absolutely forced to eject Tony Two-Hands and Big Vinny from ringside for blatant interference. And lots of solid action between the champ and challenger. WHAT? Jonny Booya, you bastard! The Meathead wants him some of Eugene's FIST. A good non-finish to set up this rivalry for the belt. Good stuff.
 

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I keep writing it, for two reasons:

1. That's how it's listed in our official arena layout which I try to use and reference as much as I can: http://defiancewrestling.com/images/Def-Arena/defarena-1st-floor-new.png
2. When I asked Justin months ago if "Guerilla" was a typo and should it be "Gorilla", he said it was not a typo and calling it that fits the attitude of the fed better.

I also recall you asking this a couple times during the LBC vs. BDH feud and my reply was the same. Maybe it slipped your mind that you asked already but now, hopefully, the question can be put to rest.

If Justin's changed his mind and wants this to be "Gorilla" instead of "Guerilla" then someone should either ask JP for the Photoshop source files and make the change themselves in that program, or someone can figure out how to edit the font without the source files and re-save the image.

1) We had plenty of spelling errors in those floor plans when they were created. I know they were corrected at one point, but it's possible one thing could slip through the cracks.
2) This is correct, however I've never been privy to such a conversation.

I definitely 'corrected' the spelling once during the BDH/LBC feud. I don't remember such a conversation, so it must have slipped my mind. If that's how it is in DEF then I stand corrected and I won't raise it again. I'll also make sure I use Guerilla in future.
 

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I've offered to teach anyone who's interested in learning how to do headshots. James was interested but his old computer couldn't handle the program (Paint.NET) that I used to do them. So if anyone else is remotely interested in learning to do headshots, you can facebook me or respond here or try to catch me on AIM or whatthehellever I'm not around like I used to be but I'm not hard to find.

And someone needs to ask Halkum to put the site - particularly the bios pages - back the way they were before we ever brought Pape on as a poser artist.
 

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Jeffro, I'm back around [not handling] if you show me or whatever, I can float them along for a wh.ile, homie.

I can usually handle basic stuff.
 

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- Another thing I wish WWE would do, an authority figure that's more Jack Tunny and less "The Authority"... still a prominent figure but not the centerpiece of the show. As much fun as taking the reigns of Ed White was I'm glad that shit's over. Nobody handled Ed like William, anything I Justin or Jeff did with Ed paled in comparison. Good simple straightforward segment. I love that it's Kelly going forward, she's a fantastic character to write for.

- Just a note going forward. Ed is back in the ether, he's not mine. But I'm absolutely claiming Jane and Nicky. I've grown to really like those characters and plan to do a lot with them going forward. So they're less NPC now (especially Jane)

Thanks Evan, you and someone else we're real good at writing with Edward White. I haven't had a chance to read everything that's happened with the character in the last year or so but I'm sure there was cigar smoking and lots of money-man business.

And as always: I endorse the hijacking of other people's character.

Someone bring back Noah Hanson.
 

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