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ULTRATITLE Rd. 1 Br. 1 Unofficial Post-RP Predictions Thread!

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You know the drill, pick winners. Explanations are always welcome, and fantasy-booked entire cards are demanded! Well, erm, generally they're appreciated, but not demanded. Anyhow, we do this to waste time in DEF, so now we're doing it in the FWC.

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Ace Andrews vs Jay Connor

'Jester' Chad Allen vs Tarrasque

Jeff Andrews vs Dr. Curiosity

Justin Voss vs Mark Maverick

'Arrogance' Joey Melton vs Ethan Archer (j)

Kin Hiroshi vs 'The Dream' Marcus Davis

'Daddy' Jared Wells vs Showtime

AJ Johnson vs Jace Gryphon

Zero vs Blaine Hollywood

Dom Jacobs vs El Gordo Grande

Cobra vs 'The Egobuster' Dan Ryan

El Lobo Loco (j) vs Spike Saunders

The Big Sauce Man (j) vs Sylo

Umpiro vs Troy Douglas

'Gentlemen' Jonathan Marx vs King Krusher

'Crippler' Cameron Cruise vs Ikan Jobtayoo (j)
 

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That's my entire bracket selection for Bracket 1, with "Arrogance" Joey Melton winning a squeaker over Dan Ryan. Had a REALLY tough time deciding who I had coming out of that bracket between Melton, Ryan, and Blaine, and although my mind might have changed since reading RPs (Blaine has KILLED IT), I'm sticking by what I chose before everything got underway.
 

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That's my entire bracket selection for Bracket 1, with "Arrogance" Joey Melton winning a squeaker over Dan Ryan. Had a REALLY tough time deciding who I had coming out of that bracket between Melton, Ryan, and Blaine, and although my mind might have changed since reading RPs (Blaine has KILLED IT), I'm sticking by what I chose before everything got underway.

That bracket is incorrect. That's all I'm saying. :)
 

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If Voss, Marx, and Showtime don't win, then I riot.

Also Chad, are the challonge brackets still valid if you've modified them after the 26? Ryan and I were talking about that earlier and I thought you had said somewhere that they count up until the first card is released but I can't find the thread.
 

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I'm locking the Challonge full bracket for predictions either tomorrow or Tuesday. If it allows you to modify them up until then, go for it. Everyone's got the same opportunity.
 

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Ace Andrews vs Jay Connor
WINNER: Toilet seats. They're gonna get so much ass.

'Jester' Chad Allen vs Tarrasque
WINNER: I really liked Tarrasque's work, and the character itself, but the angle was probably taken too far for the judges' liking. Jester in a squeaker.

Jeff Andrews vs Dr. Curiosity
WINNER: Loving the way that Jeff plays the grizzled veteran angle. As a guy who plays grizzled veterans, I think his approach is on point. The good Doctor was entertaining, but I don't see him standing up to a more serious opponent. It's too bad, because he could have gone through in other matches.

Justin Voss vs Mark Maverick
WINNER: Voss in a good match.

'Arrogance' Joey Melton vs Ethan Archer (j)
WINNER: WELL I DUNNO

Kin Hiroshi vs 'The Dream' Marcus Davis
WINNER: Kin's character shines through just enough to make him look human in his promos, while some of Marcus' stylistic choices cause his tone to fall flat. Kin in a good match.

'Daddy' Jared Wells vs Showtime
WINNER: I'm scared that this is where my bracket starts to fall apart...I disagree with above, I thought Showtime was MEGA entertaining in his promos, while Jared Wells was trying a little bit too hard to look badass. Showtime for the win.

AJ Johnson vs Jace Gryphon
WINNER: Gryphon takes this one with a seamless series of promos.

Zero vs Blaine Hollywood
WINNER: Zero understands how to grip his audience with subtlety, and I don't think Hollywood's in-your-face approach can top that. Zero in a barn-burner.

Dom Jacobs vs El Gordo Grande
WINNER: El Gordo was more interesting and more entertaining here. Dom has a solid angle, but didn't make it stand out. El Gordo Grande to the second round.

Cobra vs 'The Egobuster' Dan Ryan
WINNER: I think I'm probably being controversial with this pick. It seems that, to an extent, Dan Ryan has taken for granted his status in this circle and really skipped out on a lot of potential exposition in his promo. Meanwhile, Cobra's character really shines through. I may end up being wrong, but Cobra to take this round in an upset.

El Lobo Loco (j) vs Spike Saunders
WINNER: Is this one related to the taco guy?

The Big Sauce Man (j) vs Sylo
WINNER: Should have brought the poutine.

Umpiro vs Troy Douglas
WINNER: There's a certain point, when you're playing a patently ridiculous character, where you have to reign them in, and bring them back to normalcy to maintain your suspension of disbelief. Umpiro, while entertaining, did not do this, and his work suffered. Troy Douglas in a closer-than-expected match.

'Gentlemen' Jonathan Marx vs King Krusher
WINNER: Not a bad match, but Krusher is the clear winner.

'Crippler' Cameron Cruise vs Ikan Jobtayoo (j)
WINNER: Cameron can't job to this.
 

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Umpiro vs Troy Douglas
WINNER: There's a certain point, when you're playing a patently ridiculous character, where you have to reign them in, and bring them back to normalcy to maintain your suspension of disbelief. Umpiro, while entertaining, did not do this, and his work suffered.

Yes, because all patently ridiculous characters need to be grounded in reality. wtf?
 

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Yes, because all patently ridiculous characters need to be grounded in reality. wtf?

I giggled like a school girl at the concept, ergo I enjoyed it. If I was doing a bracket. I think I had you going over(memorable and all)
 

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I giggled like a school girl at the concept, ergo I enjoyed it. If I was doing a bracket. I think I had you going over(memorable and all)

I appreciate it, but it's not about winning and losing. I fully expect Douglas to beat me because he had two strong RPs and I had one strong one and an intro one that even I felt was flat after posting it. That being said, I just don't like incongruity in people critiquing me. It's almost like he's saying "don't do silly characters because I can't suspend my disbelief"
 

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So I reread a few of these promos and found myself agreeing with HMH's points about Cobra vs Dan Ryan. I'm a *somewhat* outsider and saw Cobra really justify the mask and Dan Ryan openly disregard his opponent. I want to see a Cobra upset.

Kin's more in your face, Marcus put a lot more effort with mucho Hype promos. If HYPE promos break tie-breakers, I'll see Marcus winning round 1.

I actually liked Troy's first promo: "I'm afraid of umpires because of childhood drama but for the ULTRATITLE I'll tough it out". Serious comedy characters are hard to RP against because you don't know from what angle to approach: you have to recognize that wrestling is a ridiculous world and Troy, as basic a character as he appears here, took the challenge marvelously. Now if Vumpiro took his character a little more seriously, then we'd have ourselves a closer outcome but as it is, I want a decisive Troy victory to at least cement the character while he can.

Agree with the King Krusher and Jester picks, unsure about Gordo vs Dom. For me, there's no worse padding than writing your text out in a foreign language then writing it all over again in English. Then again, Dom is basically angry/intense musclehead with a girl, right? It's so friggin' 90s, without actually being 90s.

I wonder if El Jobo Loco wouldn't be a better name for Lobo Loco... I know that's not "Local Jobber" but I remember BOB jobber Manos Loco who had a similar "mangled Mexican name" gimmick.
 

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unsure about Gordo vs Dom. For me, there's no worse padding than writing your text out in a foreign language then writing it all over again in English. Then again, Dom is basically angry/intense musclehead with a girl, right? It's so friggin' 90s, without actually being 90s.

Translating back and forth is not only a pain in the ass but takes forever. The concept of the double language is not to pad but because El Gordo can't speak English. This is why its presented in SAP, Second Audio Programming. However, what you are reading in English is not audible, it's subtitled on the screen. Could I have an English speaking manager do all the talking, yes. Could I make El Gordo speak broken English, yes. But that's not in the scheme of who I have him played out in my head. :)
 

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Yes, because all patently ridiculous characters need to be grounded in reality. wtf?

If they were grounded in reality, they wouldn't be ridiculous. That said, when you're stacking gimmick on top of gimmick purely for the sake of doing so, there has to be a point where it all gets tied together cleanly, or else it just feels contrived an uninteresting, like a Mad Lib more than a character. That's what I was trying to say; you've presented me with an undead former baseball umpire turned wrestler, and I was willing to indulge in that story, but I didn't feel hooked, or that there was any understanding or reasoning behind how this character came to be. If something is ridiculous simply to be so, it makes a good one-off gag, but you aren't going to make people truly care about a character and want to see more. With Troy Douglas, it feels as if there's more to come. With Umpiro, I feel like I've seen the extent of what he can tell me, and there's no reason to keep watching.
 

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Okay, sorry if I got ruffled. It was early in the morning. Opinions are opinions, and even though I feel like it's silly to hold anything done in the e-fed arena to a standard of seriousness, I shouldn't have lashed out. Sorry everyone.
 

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Dom is actually the anti-meathead, muscle bound wrestler. Plus, he doesn't have a woman, his rival in ICW actually stole her. lol I'll be the first to admit, these were not my best RP's. I am more in line with a storyline writer than a "promo" writer.
 

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If you picked Zero to win, you're on crack. His promos had no weight to them. Didn't mention his opponent or the match...the exact thing judges said needed to be done. I wouldn't even call what he did "promos". Blaine spit hot fire. If a judge voted for Zero, they shouldn't be allowed to judge anything ever again. That includes jury duty, chili cook-offs, and the All-Valley Karate Tournament. Thankfully I have more faith in our panel of judges.
 

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Dom is actually the anti-meathead, muscle bound wrestler. Plus, he doesn't have a woman, his rival in ICW actually stole her. lol I'll be the first to admit, these were not my best RP's. I am more in line with a storyline writer than a "promo" writer.

You're right: I guess the first promo's exercise setting threw me off and I must've skipped the part in the second one where you stated you were the anti-Andre/Hulk; but I suppose that what's best in those situation is not to tell people what you are but to show them.

Straight-Edge is going to be a curse in this tournament seeing as how those will innevitably be compared to Punk. See Mike C vs Johnny Niles.
 

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'Jester' Chad Allen vs Tarrasque
WINNER: I really liked Tarrasque's work, and the character itself, but the angle was probably taken too far for the judges' liking. Jester in a squeaker.

I like that it will be the judges fault if Tarrasque loses, and not the handler, when we made it painfully clear that the judges were looking for realism and for characters to not do illegal things, and Tarrasque broke a man's neck in his first Rp and had his trainer assure us that the broke necked man would either die or never walk again, and then in his second Rp he threw a man in front of a speeding bus, which I'm pretty sure would be fatal.

But yeah, the judges are just not open minded enough to enjoy Tarrasque.
 
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My thoughts/feedback that will surely alienate others:

JEFF ANDREWS VS. DOC CURIOSITY: I've been in a few leagues with Doc before and am a fan -- I always like a zany evil type. I've never come across Jeff Andrews. These guys both know what they're doing. But I'm going with Jeff -- two killer notes which set up who he is, why he's there, and how he's going to go about doing what he intends to do. Another note from Doc may have tightened things up but Jeff would probably have gotten my nod anyways. Good work, though, from both guys.

AJ JOHNSON VS. JACE GRYPHON -- AJ's handler managed to misspell "restaurant" in two different ways twice in the opening description. That's not a good sign. The rest of the RP was pretty bad and elementary. Jace's stuff was very good introductory material. My only problem with Jace was mentioning John Cena and Ric Flair. I HATE mentioning real wrestlers, especially when there are entire universes of our own characters to reference.

ZERO VS. BLAINE HOLLYWOOD -- For full disclosure, JN is a very good friend of mine outside of this world. He wrote two completely flawless RP notes. He RPd a manager and a character who could be REAL guys in the WWE or the indies. The RPs had some really funny jokes in there. The descriptions and the like were absolutely perfect. Calvin/Blaine talked up the importance of the Ultratitle and also addressed his opponent. And, most importantly to me, both characters addressed the fictional audience which watches all of these matches. There IS a fake audience that reacts to these fake characters Seriously -- if I was going to show someone how to RP in this style, this is what I would show them.

I am not a fan of narrative style but I will be objective when I see something good -- and there has been so far. And I know this has been build as "The Ultimate Battle Between RP and Narrative" styles. I think Zero's promos were "eh" at best. The first promo was a guy thinking about his backstory while shaving. The second was him being introspective while waiting at an airport. There was a scant mention of the Ultratitle and no mention of Blaine Hollywood.

JN wrote two RPs as perfect as you can write in RP style. Zero's stuff wasn't ANYWHERE as good.

I seriously think Blaine Hollywood could win the whole tournament. And if it were to end today, I think he should.

KIN HIROSHI VS. "THE DREAM" MARCUS DAVIS: Great stuff from good guys. I was a big fan of Kin's when he was really active. The Dream is new to me and someone I'd like to see in the leagues I participate in.

This one was really close. I like how Kin set up why he's coming out of retirement and where he's been and why the Ultratitle is important to him. Davis wrote two quality responses... but they were responses. There wasn't anything there for me other than his trash back to Kin. And it was VERY good, but I'd prefer to see The Dream establish who he was and why he was there a bit. Gotta go with Kin, but Marcus Davis is a very good character.

"JESTER" CHAD ALLEN VS. TARRASQUE -- Loved this battle between two guys I don't know. I love a slimeball manager who has a monster under his control. The first note was a great introduction as to how this monster can take any punishment and has a killer finishing hold. Chad Allen's introduction note was great, particularly with the Emerson, Lake & Palmer reference. The one difference for me was Tarrasque's second note. I like monsters and supernatural characters, but they have to be kept in some form of reality. Throwing a dude in front of a bus broke that too much for me.

But seriously, guys -- this was great stuff. I hope to see both of you again. It's a shame you got paired up in Round 1. Both of you guys could have gone on a run.

COBRA VS. DAN RYAN -- Wow. Just... wow.

Brunk's one of my favorite people in FW. And he's one or two in toughest people I've ever battled with. I thought for sure he had this in a walk. Cobra's first note way bleh -- talking about creating a god "that I worked my butt off for." That's just too bad a juxtaposition. And Ryan's first note was textbook Ryan -- the big, snarky, overconfident prick that just ridicules and belittles everyone. And I get the strategy of the YouTube clip -- just purely dismissing your opponent. But it came off as lazy. The Ultratitle deserves a bit more, IMO.

And that opened up the door for Cobra's response. And... the dude turned it around from a pretty bad first note. This was a total home run response. It was a few sentences away from being a grand slam. I liked that Cobra went from talking about his past to getting super serious and standing up to a bully.

Man... seriously... this could be THE upset. (Of course, I'm predicting my guy to lose Round 1, too.)

It just goes to show that you have to bring it every note to get far in this thing.

"DADDY" JARED WELLS VS. SHOWTIME -- Wells has been around forever but we've never crossed paths too much. I'm new to Showtime. This was a great battle. I love Wells shtick of being wronged and not caring about The Ultratitle except to piss on it. That's a REALLY awesome idea that I wish I had. The first Showtime note was just there for me. Wells second note had a bit of a problem for me -- when he said he respected Joey Melton, but he did address the fictional viewing audience (and, in fact, had them in the RP). I wish it was the opposite approach. Showtime's second note was one of my favorites of Round 1.

Seriously great stuff, guys. A total coin flip but the crowd interaction put it in Wells' favor for me. I really love Showtime's character.

JONATHAN MARX VS. KING KRUSHER -- I started in this hobby in the aforementioned NewGen that anchored this promo. My main guy in that league was Pestilence, who both referenced. This was the best story of this bracket. Both guys have a great history together that they exchanged. This was a total treat for me to read since Paul and Scott are such throwbacks to the hobby.

This is a coin flip. I'm pulling for Krusher to win because he's done the best with the "coming out of retirement" angle so far.

But Scott, Paul, if you're reading -- calm down with the fonts. Both of you have a chance to go on an epic run. Bring the font size down.

DOM JACOBS VS. EL GORDE GRANDE -- Not familiar with either character. El Gorde Grande in a walk. I like the Nacho Libre goofball MExican and LOVE that he went with two languages. That's some time consuming effort. Dom Jacobs RPs were all over the place for me.

UMPIRO VS. TROY DOUGLAS -- Troy Douglas had two very good "I'm overlooked but not anymore" notes. Umpiro has potential as a good funny character. Troy advances.... but TH, please come back.

VOSS VS. MAVERICK -- Awesome, awesome, awesome. damned if I can pick.

Great stuff, guys.
 

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