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Now that you've had a chance to see the whole thing, what did you think?

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I getta be first - yeaH! Overall, I thought it was pretty good. It wasn't the "Claimstakers" good in effect, but it was good. The matches were well written and witty in several parts. I don't know who did what, but several did great and all were PPV worthy!

BEST MOMENT: That's a tough one because we had several comebacks on the show as well as a few swerves. I would have to go with all the world champions being out to the ring at once. I fully expected a giant screwjob, but I was swerved. We got a clean finish. That's an odd swerve, but really makes me happy.

BEST MATCH: Hmmm... This is REALLY tough. The MEvent was nice for its ongoing angle (Aho in the ring, Windham out of the ring). I'm not sure if it was far and away the best, but its the one that showed the most in the way of storytelling (to me). Having written my first match in YEARS for this show, that storytelling trick is rather difficult. I was rooting for Aho because I didn't see the Windham buildup as strong enough for the match, but I wasn't surprised by the ending (though I was happy w/ the swerve/clean finish).

Strengths: The GXW thing had been building for some time, so it went off as expected. Given, I didn't believe for a minute that Blade would go at it w/ the GXW, but overall the angle worked. Plett's turn was well planned because after the initial incident where Plett PROVED he was CSWA, I truly was expecting him to help out the CSWA when the actual swerve hit. This angle has probably helped push Plett to a stronger level if it doesn't go "NWO". The PLR thing was pretty good. It culminated the "stalker" thing and started a new thing from the old angle. That's masterful in continuing storyline... the WWE could take a note from that. The midget match was hilarious! Nice work on that one! I was wondering how Melton would pull his promise off. All of the shoots I read made sense and were, in fact, some of the more enjoyable stuff.

WEAKNESSES: Too many angles rushed to be on the PPV. I thought that after the GXW thing, it was odd to have another "swerve". It just seemed forced. I had a hard time believing that GUNS was that mad and that the situation was happening... it just didn't feel right. When the swerve part hit, it seemed to take the steam out of what had happened just before it, but didn't do much to give you that emotional "cool" swerve feeling because you were already there w/ the GXW/Plett turn. I would've been happier with the Intruders angle to build for at least a few shows, and then culminate at a later date so that we would really be surprised. I was actually swerved when Troy hugged Mark. I thought, "they couldn't get along" and then, as if you read my mind, Troy doublecrossed him. That was what I expected. (This was like HHH really being the guy who took out HBK... It was the only thing that made sense) A Troy/Mark run at the top would've been cool, even if it only lasted until the next PPV where Troy would pull the real swerve. Again, I would've liked to see a buildup to the feud, especially if it would come off as both guys fault somehow. The fact that Mark came out of nowhere to take the title. Troy came out of nowhere to setup the expected Main Event for the next PPV. We now see a setup that comes out of nowhere but holds little surprise. Fish Fund's overall biggest weakness was that it seemed forced in the way of angles.

I hope I'm not too hard... the matchwriting was solid, the shoots were great, and I laughed aloud several times. Entertaining overall, but forced in some areas. Just my thoughts, for what they're worth.

Peace Be still,
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Fish Fund Thoughts...

...Hmm....

Well, here's one. Thank Goodness Chad finally stopped taping the Price Is Right and started posting the Main Event! :)

Great card. I'm impartial to the World Junior Junior match, but everything else on the card had no problems living up to the standards that match set.

Ahem.

I thought the roleplay heading into the card was really good, and the card itself was PPV worthy. Was it the best FF ever? Probably not, but it was darn good. Great job of writing to any and everyone who played a part.

Complaints? See above Price is Right jab. I don't think too many things were 'forced.' Not at all. The only angle that may have been ill-timed was the Intruders bit. Could have found another place for that one. Good angle, but did it take a little heat off the GXW stuff? Dunno.

I won the World title, so of course I'm liking the card. The downside is, i have to roleplay more now. NO JOKES RUSSO! YOU'RE ON THIN ICE AS IT IS. I wouldn't exactly say Windham came out of nowhere to win the title either. At least, no more than Steve Radder did. Seriously, who fell asleep at the wheel when Radder got the strap? Kidding.

The Flair/Deacon surprise was very well written and done. Back to the Intruders angle, "You're right Hornet this is a nice spot to cut a promo." That was nice, Nips.

All in all, despite Chad's delay...this has to be one of the quickest PPVs in CSWA history to be posted. That counts for something right.

Oh, Wicked Sight's turn. What's up with that? One minute the kid is walking around the locker room singing, "Good, Good, Good, Good Vibrations," and now he's turned his back on the CSWA.

That was actually one of the few fantasy heel turns I didn't see coming. Of course, I haven't read a full card since 1997, so my opinion doesn't hold too much water right now.

A great PPV guys. Sets up a lot of future angles.

Next PPV, who's up for a FireHouse match, or Wheel Of Death?

One final word on Fish Fund.

DO NOT...REBUILD.......THIS PARK.
 
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I thought it was a pretty good card. I think it was missing that one "Oh My God, You Have to Read This" Eli vs. Troy Anniversary-type match, but everything on the card was super-solid.

What I Liked: 1) Eli Flair vs. Deacon - tops the list for me. I missed all of Deacon's run, so I'm excited to see what I missed out on. Even though I know zero about the Deacon character, the way this was written made it feel like a special happening.

2) The World Junior Junior match - classic Tard comedy. Beating on midgets never gets old. Would it go over like a fart in church in the real world? Probably. But this is the CSWA!

3) Troy Windham returns. Hopefully this signals the return of Gethard to full-time status. He's been missed.

4) The Intruders angle. Duh.

5) Hornet vs. Triple X. I'm really digging this rivalry and can't wait to see where it goes from here.

What I Didn't Like:
1) Mark Windham wins the World Title. Not to slight Steve at all, but I liked Evan Aho as World Champion and don't think a Mark/Troy program needs the World title belt involved to be hot. I'll be very interested to see where Aho goes after losing the belt. Thought it would have done great things for Aho to have beaten Windham, but that wasn't in the cards. We'll see how Mark does as World champ.

2) Too Much Eddy Love. I like the Eddy Love character as much as the next guy, but considering that Ed's disappeared for the moment, I thought the character was shoved a little too hard down our throats - from the World Junior Junior Match, to the re-formation of the PLR angle, to him being at ringside for the World title match. I understand that the character was important to all three storylines (Melton, the Love "stalker", and the return of Troy), but it still came off as too much for me.

3) Wicked Sight turns heel. Just a matter of personal preference - I loved what Mikey was doing with the character as a babyface, and the jury's still out on how he does as a heel. Just feels a little forced right now.

Reserving Judgment on:
1) The New PLR. Another one of the angles/gimmicks I wasn't around for the first time, and re-forming it without two of the original members fell a little flat for me. However, I'm chalking that up simply to not being familiar with the two other guys involved (Logan and Sampson) who may very well be terrific and make the new PLR better than the original. Of course, it didn't help the angle that the GXW and Intruders stuff also came off on the Fish Fund card. Got a little crowded with the stable warfare.
 
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I enjoyed the card a lot. It was kind of a tease that we had 12 parts before main went up, but hey...we've had three month waits before. hehe

Deacon and Eli coming back, easy heat. I was really stoked.

Men of Adventure on their motorcycles...holy crap that's great! :) I went crazy for this one.

Glad to see Shane take the US title, that made the most sense to me. Well done.

Adler coming out with the strap also worked for me. He's just too damn crafty.

I was totally surprised that Plett turned, I guess I shouldn't have been in retrospect because he was the only one that made sense for it. I thought that was well played. My only concern is that Plett was one of the few TRUE faces left. Makes me wonder if the league is over-saturated with heels. *shrugs* Time will tell.

I'm gonna be a hater on Melton, though. No offense Steve, but after the hype of Melton buying a World Title shot this just didn't pay off for me. By the way, what happened to Melton at the end of the main event? He just kind of...vanished.

I like the way the Intruder angle was set-up, but I also think it should have waited for another time. Just too many angles in one short segment.

Of course most of my qualms were with the World Title match. ;) I was completely fooled into thinking Aho was going to come out with the strap, especially with Windham only coming back recently. It was good historically to tie it in with Fish Fund though. Aho was written really well. I enjoyed that he wasn't leaving the ring for anything. I wished that Windham would have finished him with a shoulder submission just to build on that angle since it got hyped in the match anyway. If I was writing Aho, I would have switched the dropkicks to roundhouse or yakuza kicks. Last thing I didn't understand was Aho shaking hands at the end of the match. Overall very well done.

FINAL THOUGHT: Did Aho ever tap? :) Read the card and see if Manny Juarez didn't pull another fast one. hehe
 

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Some PPV's-- they end feuds. Others start new ones. This one looks like it's a real feud starter, especially with the GXW/Intruders stuff that's been tearing up.

Not the best CSWA PPV but certainly something to be proud of. The card's getting a lot of good feedback on EWPlanet, which is really nice.

My take with what's been said about some of the angles on the card-- there is no greater Aho mark than me. I imagine that he's going to get another World Title reign.

I like Mark having the World Title. He's always been a great character. I do agree that Troy and Mark don't need the title to fight over to have a hot feud. But I do think that there is going to be a chase for Mark's title before we get to that point.

The GXW/Intruders stuff... I've always found that big angles like that are hard to organize and to keep flowing. So, some stuff gets lost in the shuffle-- and this time it seems that Sight's turn is the one that got lost.

I don't think that's too big a deal, tho. I think that the Sight turn has the chance to be, in retrospect, one of the better CSWA moments in recent years. I might be putting pressure on Mikey some, but he's a great RPer and I think once he sinks his teeth into the heel role, Wicked Sight is going to be one of the hottest characters in the league.
 

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Hey Fellas, just thought I'd chime in with my two cents.

#1 Tard - You'll pay. One day, you'll pay. I swear it.

I LIKED : OK, so it was my match. I thought the Powers/Logan vs. Love/Radder thing was a very nice match to READ. Too bad Ed couldn't show up to RP for the match, because that would have only made it better.

I also marked out HUGE for the Deacon return. Bigger than Troy. That might come from entering the CSWA with Warren, but it's been so long. Troy was nice too, of course ;).

Like everyone before me has said, the Wicked Sight turn caught me by surprise, but it really was the only thing that made sense. Blade coming back was a nice surprise as well!

I DEFINATELY DIDN'T LIKE (for right now) : The GXW angle. I'm sorry guys, I know you're all probably tired of hearing me say this, but I don't see any way for this to work long-range. The GXW is not going to "win." The CSWA is not going away - so what's the point? Am I missing something?

I also definately didn't like the new PLR. Is it because I was involved in the old one? I don't know. I've never like rehashes. I didn't like the nWo in its 15 forms after the original, and I always think "rehashes" don't do anything but make the "original" look stupid. Again, I probably feel more strongly about this because I was involved first-time-around.

Anyway, that's about it. And watch your back, Tardo.

- Rad
 

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>I DEFINATELY DIDN'T LIKE (for right now) : The GXW angle.
>I'm sorry guys, I know you're all probably tired of hearing
>me say this, but I don't see any way for this to work
>long-range. The GXW is not going to "win." The CSWA is not
>going away - so what's the point? Am I missing something?

Yes, you are. :) But that's alright because I think there's a huge misconception on the angle. It's not at all about destroying the CSWA at the hands of GXW, though that's the way it's been taken. Might be our fault, I don't know. But the angle is more a fight against the perceived CSWA "ego"...that they are the only show in town...and a fight to show that GXW has talent that stacks up favorably to CSWA talent.

Believe me, I'm fully aware that an invasion angle doesn't work. Who wants to watch a movie they already know the end to? <g>
 

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As posts on the General Discussion board say (although this is the FAN discussion board, so I'll reiterate the statements)... each GXW character has his own motivations for going after the CSWA. By roleplay alone (as well as on-card promos), Mike Plett has told the entire world he doesn't want to destroy the CSWA OR rebuild it... simply to "piss all over it".

Dan Ryan, Chris Lehew they's got a big chip on their shoulder, from "years of disrespect that the CSWA has shown their home".

Codine... read through his roleplays, I don't want to generalize his goals but if you know his history, it sticks out at you.

I don't believe this is a NWO repeat... I think of this as the WCW invasion done RIGHT.

Mikey P
 

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>Mike Plett has told the entire world he
>doesn't want to destroy the CSWA OR rebuild it... simply to
>"piss all over it".
>Dan Ryan, Chris Lehew they's got a big chip on their
>shoulder, from "years of disrespect that the CSWA has shown
>their home".
>I don't believe this is a NWO repeat... I think of this as
>the WCW invasion done RIGHT.
>

Hmmm, I dunno, forgive me for saying so, but I think this is far closer to the nSo than it is the WCW Invasion done right. At least, the nWo as it first began.

Hall and Nash clearly fit somewhere in between Plett's and Ryan's agendas. And Hogan joined in from a lack of respect from WCW fans.

For the WCW Invasion angle to have been done right, it would have ended as soon as it began. Shano Mac would have wrestled Vinnie for some kind of WWF time slot. Shane would have won, they would have put on WCW's own programming, and then perhaps initiated some sort of swapping war. But, ultimately, the goal would have been a seperate company.

In the case of the GXW, it already HAS it's own company. So, there's no need to do anything other than gain respect for it.

That's the way it looks to me, anyway.

TW
 

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Guys,

Before we all go critisizing the GXW angle, let's let it develop some. Mike, Dan and the rest of the guys are great RPers and great FWers in general. The angle is just in it's infancy now. I have a feeling they'll make it work.

Jason
 

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I think that Jason sums it up best. This angle is still in the premature stages and of course its going to look like an "invasion" angle in the beginning, but does anyone (aside from those involved and the staff) know where its going to lead from here? Of course not and that's the beauty of the entire angle. As with any angle in fantasy wrestling, you have to give the GXW angle time to develop. Trust me, the group of guys that are involved have gone over this for months before implementing it....

"Codine... read through his roleplays, I don't want to generalize his goals but if you know his history, it sticks out at you."

Mikey is exactly right (probably because I personally told him :)). Anyone who is familiar with Codine (Blade) and his past, should know one of the major reasons why he has returned to the CSWA. And in time, for those who are not familiar with Codine, you will soon see his intentions (just read into the rps :))....
 

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Ah ... but this is where me saying "DIDN'T LIKE ... (for right now)" comes in. I'm saying, exactly as you did, Kent, that it seems like just another silly "invasion angle) - as an aside - WCW or nWo, it's all the same to me - but me saying "right now" means I'm open to having my mind changed. ;)

Nice to see you back, btw!
 

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I wasn't criticizing anything. I was just saying I thought it resembled the nWo more than the WCW invasion angle.

I don't really have a problem with either

-TW
 

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Sorry if my post came off the wrong way, but I wasn't meaning to make it look as if you two were criticizing it. As Steve said, I was simply saying to allow it time to develop because there are very few angles in fantasy wrestling (at least during my time) that come right out of the chute as top of the line....

And thanks Steve :)
 

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