Interfed Offer

[DBrunkGXW]

I was approached with this recently. I thought I'd post it here for the fed members to look over and get some feedback on it.

Post honestly and openly your opinions on the matter, whatever they may be.

I'll reserve my opinion until I get some feedback.

Original email below:

Gentlemen,

I don't think there's a lady among you, but if there is, my bad. If you don't know who I am, I am Triple B. I'm a mod on Roughkut, one of guys running EKnights, mod on Experts, and owner of The VWF for the last 11 years. Now, recently, I have acquired an interfed, called CWC (Championship Wrestling Council).

Previous owners are not involved in this project, however, so I have relaunched the site with a new cadre of feds, and some of the greatest activity since we've opened, averaging about 200 posts a day.

Now, the reason I'm sending this to you, is that as I can tell you are the contact people for your prospective federations. While, I don't expect all of you to come flocking over and join up to be a part of CWC, I would encourage you to take a look. If it IS something you are interested in doing, you can apply to be a CWC Member, or merely just a link exchange by sending in the information via PM to myself. Or, ANY non-affiliated fed can post their news on the Industry News section of our boards.

Some of the main advantages to membership, however, is the ability to post your news and results on our main site, participation in CWC Shows (we run our championships similar to an NWA style, in that you can book the CWC Champions to wrestle on your own shows if needed). Additionally, while I have seen fed vs. fed shows before, we are working on an Interfed Vs. Interfed show and feud in 2010. Lastly, we have 2 podcasts that are set up to push CWC Events and feds, namely SCCW's State of the Game, and the Efed Knights of the Roundtable. EKnight's podcast boasts exposure to well over 300 unique downloads per show.

Like I said, I identified your feds because I thought that you all run sites that would benefit from being apart of CWC, and we would benefit from having you be a part. I hope that some of you consider it, and take a look at what we have to offer. This is not a message I send out blanket to feds left and right, as I haven't sent one yet, and I won't send another to other federations. Thank you for your time.

-Triple B
CWC Owner
http://www.wearecwc.com

 

[EpyonMarx]

Honest opinion... I absolutely hate when people send a mass-marketing message trying to drum up support for something. He could at least have addressed the fed-heads by name in individual messages.

Secondly, it reminds me of some emails I've had recently from someone wanting to do Search Engine Optimisation for FWC. Emails which I've deleted.

More importantly, I don't think Empire Pro needs it at all. Anybody who wants to recruit shouldn't need to draw attention to things which don't add anything to the core activity (e-fedding and writing), so the mention of the "podcast boast[ing] exposure to well over 300 unique downloads per show" doesn't fill me with confidence about the quality of the writing and the personalities of the people involved. Our schedule is pretty laid-back, which is a huge boon for people who have busy lives (and those of us hoping to have busy lives), but the relaxed schedule does mean we don't have much in the way of news - so the whole "you can post news" bit wouldn't be very helpful. If this were something that felt more useful to us rather than to them, I'd be more inclined to say yes, go for it, but it seems to me to reek of someone who wants a large number of names that people've heard of so they can say "Look how great we are".

 

[TheOriginalSE]

To be fair, it wasn't a "mass-marketing" message. It was originally sent to four fedheads by a very respected owner of a league out there in the wrestling universe. Since Empire Pro isn't active over on Roughkut, but I am, when I received the original email I talked to Triple B and told him to check out EPW because Brunk was not only a fantastic fedhead, but because you guys have made this the premiere league on FWC. Triple B agreed.

I think its a neat idea. It isn't as restrictive as other interfeds that I've seen in the past, looks to be active right off the bat since its reemergence, and may or may not be useful to both EPW and CWC.

Ya never know until you give it a try.

 

[TH]

My gut reaction is "Why the hell not?" I love interaction and expansion, and who knows, maybe EPW and FWC on the whole will get some new blood. However, with all the unpleasantness with interfederational dealings and tournaments that we've had... we might want to think long and hard about it. Still, I think joining an interfed and integrating with another community would be the better way to go than just having guys jump into tournaments and then have a situation like we had with the WfWA in the ToC or Total J-Cup

 

[The Great Eye]

My problem with this is that it seems that EPW would be second teir to another, higher title....I never like getting the high-hat 'you haven't done anything in the big leagues' crap when I join a new league...And to be in this situation is basically begging for that it seems. I'm an isolationist by nature so that is how I see things..

 

[John Doe]

My problem with this is that it seems that EPW would be second teir to another, higher title....I never like getting the high-hat 'you haven't done anything in the big leagues' crap when I join a new league...And to be in this situation is basically begging for that it seems. I'm an isolationist by nature so that is how I see things..

This may occur, I recently joined CWC as an affilate so I can post news for SWIFT and get the name out on multiple levels. Now, that is not the same as this offer you recieved. I don't like the idea as Mike says that we can "book CWC champions" because it does give the EPW belt less value.

I liked the old territories back in the AWA days, but Efed wise it always comes down to speculation, what if they disagree with Brunk having that JOBBER The First crush their "champ" and all sides decide to QQ,

Just saying.

 

[Frozen Atlantic]

I'm familiar with a bunch of the CWC people (I just gave TGW my walking papers, busy schedule and all that)... and uhm.. it seems weird to have EPW there because you're so tied in to the FW community.

They strike me as good guys character wise. But I think EPW miiight be slumming it a little working with them from a kayfabe perspective. It's a throwback to the territories, which is always good to have in efedding, but EPW... isn't a territory.
The EPW belt might have a longer lineage than most of the CWC member feds combined.

On the plus side, my old fed picked up a lot more members since joining CWC, so working with them might get some new blood circulating around here - and it's not like any of you are strangers to doing gigs at more than one place.

/goes back to NFW to wait for Crash 50.

 

[LQJT86C]

I'm against this because:

A) EPW doesn't need them, and doesn't stand to benefit from any membership. We have enough members in EPW, and from what I can see...we're on a much higher level than they are. Sorry, but that's how I see it.

B) All interfed activity does is slow us down, should we choose to co-promote, etc.

C) For those of you on EWTorch, you might recognize certain Roughkut members as some of the bigger drama queens on the circuit.

D) See A: we don't need 'em, don't stand to gain sh*t from 'em.

As far as I'm concerned, outside of our own community, the only other worthwhile feds talent-wise are A1E, NAPW/Rebel, fWo, ACW, PRIME and uh...well, that's pretty much it. Now if all we're talking about is some advertisement here to people interested in EPW and FWC as a whole, then fine, that's cool. But if we've gotta recognize some greater title, then I'm with Mike. EPW's title is right up there with CSWA's, NFW's, A1E's, and fWo's in terms of titles with long, storied history. All of a sudden some jabronie title is going to be superior? I know what's gonna happen too; they'll hold some tournament for the "unified title", Sean Stevens will make the finals, then they'll job him mercilessly to some dude who RPs in purple and red colored font. No, f*ck you purple/red font guy, not this time.

 

[RStrawsma]

I vote nay, for most of the reasons stated above. I can see how CWC could benefit a lot of smaller federations... but EPW is its own.

 

[Stalker]

I feel like we've been on a huge roll ever since I joined EPW. Granted I am not in any other feds, but I do not see any reason to change anything.

 

[Seth]

I vote nay.

 

[jayshort]

I'm with the majority. I vote nay. Our title is already prestigious, with a very long lineage, due to the hard work of the people who have held it. We won't benefit at all from being there, and unless I'm mistaken, we've never had any issues with getting people to join EPW, nor are we hurting for members. The only benefit would probably be more feedback on the cards, but because we'll be the new kids who's to say that'll even increase? Who says we need it? Our fed is awesome, our RPers are awesome, our fedhead is awesome, our champion Sean Stevens is awesome *side eye* ... wait, did I say that out loud?

*drops mic and runs away*

 

[Fusenshoff]

No, f*ck you purple/red font guy, not this time.

Did anyone else's mind immediately go to the 'Real Men of Genius' commercials when they saw this?

I think the real advantage that would come from this is more talent and our roster is already pretty stacked imho.

 

[GARTHIsTheLaw]

I'm not one to publicly pass judgment on other people's feds -- particularly those outside of FWC, as they often have decidedly different ways of doing things, and who's to say which way is best -- but I agree that being an active participant in this kind of interfed would complicate the accommodating schedule so many of us have. We've seen a very pronounced move in the decade since FWC was started from frequent cards to once-every-few-weeks cards as members of our core group have developed more rigorous personal schedules, and I'd like to keep it that way.

I have no objection to the idea of just posting our results there without all the bells and whistles, as long as it's something someone is willing to take the time to do and they're not finicky about who posts and how often.

 

[BoEd]

I have experience on both sides of the table on interfeds, being part of the NWC when it was around a few years ago and PTC when it had it going on. But one thing that hampers a feds ability to progress on its own in an interfed is the fact that you now have to function under the interfed sanctioned rules and place the interfed title above all else. Even the secondary titles get more prestige than your feds top title. EPW doesn't seem to be in a position to gain anything from it, and from what I see - has been doing pretty damn good on its own.

I'd say no, and I'm a fan of interfeds.

 

[Ford]

The only interfed we should be apart of is one here at FWC. Anything else will just create needless complications.

I'm new here, so my opinion isn't as valuable, but...

All the benefits he describes are things that we can/do do here at FWC, interfed shows... the only thing this place doesn't have is a FWC champion, which one could argue is the CSWA, considering the timing of their shows.

 

[BoEd]

Ford...
Are you following me or Seth?

 

[TheOriginalSE]

Since it's pretty clear that EPW won't be joining, I did want to point out one thing.

There's no hierarchy of championships in CWC... nowhere do they state that their titles are held in a higher regard than each individual member's federations. Honestly, I don't think some of the leagues, such as SCCW or VWF, would have joined if that were the case. The point was to bring together a community, help each other, and put on a show, sorta like TEAM provided when it was active, every few months where everyone got together.

I'm sad that EPW won't be joining New ERA over there.. not unexpected, since you *****es are isolationists! J/k

 

[ShawnHartXXX]

Heh... Ford said "do do". In other news, I agree with his sentiments on the topic.

 

[Ford]

Ford...
Are you following me or Seth?

I'm just desperately clinging to this game like I suspect they do in that movie I've never seen. The one with the Cliffs? What is it called? Speed. That's it.