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OPINIONS ISSUE: Tag Team Roleplay

DBrunkGXW

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Question for your feedback...

One team is run by one handler.

One team is run by two handlers handling one character each.

First RP: Two handler team - handler A (one character written for)

Second RP: One handler team (full team roleplay)

As the deadline approaches, the same handler from the two handler team posts a roleplay just as handler B is prepared to post his own.

So, here's the question...

Should that second handler be allowed to go through with posting his, with perhaps both roleplays together counted as only one roleplay? OR - should he be disallowed from posting that roleplay.

The purpose here is to not discourage two man teams from competing while also maintaining a competitive balance for the one man team. What is most fair for everyone involved?

Discuss.
 

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Gee, I wonder how this came to be? ;)

I think that two-man RP teams should not be allowed to post one after the other within a certain timeframe from the actual deadline. I think up until that point, anything is fair game.

I would say 6 hours from the deadline is fair since EPW RP periods aren't that long. Its up to the 2-man team to communicate clearly on their schedule before that.

I do apologize for responding rather quickly in my thread...but I didn't want to leave things to 'chance' and my oppponent came back with top-notch material for me to respond.
 

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Disallow it, mainly because if you're in a tag team match, you should be trying to work together and coordinating. Having that in place helps foster that kind of cohesion, I think.

EDIT: Brisbin's right... you can't really retroactively enforce rules that weren't in place. I'm just saying, let's keep this rule in mind for the future.
 
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communication is key w/ a two handler tag-team. not always convenient, but true. (actually, i think Dave and i ran into something similar in TEAM once, heh. my bad for not communicating.)

in THIS case, since no "policy" was set-in-stone going into it, you HAVE to allow all RP's. but i would make some sort of ruling for future contests. can't go all "retroactive" on a pimp.

OR a playa, for that matter.
 

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I agree with Tom. There should be specific rules that two man teams have to follow, because it essentially leads to we define as stacking in one-on-one threads. In this particular situation? I understand where Katz came from. Neither team RPed the entire week, so when it got going, and his opponent responded, naturally, the competitor in you wants to respond yourself. Especially since it was so close to the time limit, and he had no idea whether or not his partner would post.
 

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At 37, I was halfway through a roleplay when Aston posted his (this isn't an excuse, I had all week.). I agree that the 24 hour rule makes it tough.

I don't see the advantage a two-man team has if they both rp before the one-man team does. It ultimately comes down to quality, not the number of rps. Plus the 1-man team has twice as much material to work with.

I think the 48 hour stacking rule should reset though.
 
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I'd just let Handler B post his promo and neglect to judge the second promo posted by Handler A (although to be fair, it was a pretty good response). So basically you'd be judging OHT's one rp against THT's two seperate RPs.
 

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Some comments were made about two man teams needing to be cohesive and communicate.

See, my thing here is that sort of thinking gives an advantage by design to a one handler team - which is what I'm trying to eliminate. I want it to be even. I want neither side to be at an advantage on this.

So let me ask this.

What do you all think of the idea of two man team roleplays counting as one RP?

1. Example. Dan Ryan and JA are teaming against Chronic Collizion/Crimson Calling.

CC roleplay. That's one roleplay in judging.

Dan Ryan roleplays, that's half a roleplay in judging. When JA goes, it's one full roleplay.

And there is no stacking rule between partners. Stacking rule still stands between opponents.

Stacking rule would also count past one full roleplay. So in this example, it could not go Ryan, JA, Ryan. However it could go CC, JA, Ryan, CC or JA, CC, Ryan, JA, etc.

What this does, unless I'm missing something is it evens the score so to speak - it prevents sniping on your own partner, but maintains the fairness. Two handlers plus one only counts still as one RP vs. one RP. Make sense?

Also, it gives a built in disadvantage to a two handler team where only one handler shows up. So in our example above, if CC roleplays 4 times and JA roleplays 4 times and Dan Ryan no shows, what we've got is 4 fully weighted roleplays for CC and a total of 2 fully weighted roleplays for the JA/Ryan team. Now, quality always wins out but I think this is realistic in the sense that the one man would have to be pretty damn good to overcome a fully functioning team as in "real" wrestling.

Thoughts? Opinions? Good idea? Horrible? Am I missing a loophole?

Let me know.
 

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Some comments were made about two man teams needing to be cohesive and communicate.

See, my thing here is that sort of thinking gives an advantage by design to a one handler team - which is what I'm trying to eliminate. I want it to be even. I want neither side to be at an advantage on this.

So let me ask this.

What do you all think of the idea of two man team roleplays counting as one RP?

1. Example. Dan Ryan and JA are teaming against Chronic Collizion/Crimson Calling.

CC roleplay. That's one roleplay in judging.

Dan Ryan roleplays, that's half a roleplay in judging. When JA goes, it's one full roleplay.

And there is no stacking rule between partners. Stacking rule still stands between opponents.

Stacking rule would also count past one full roleplay. So in this example, it could not go Ryan, JA, Ryan. However it could go CC, JA, Ryan, CC or JA, CC, Ryan, JA, etc.

What this does, unless I'm missing something is it evens the score so to speak - it prevents sniping on your own partner, but maintains the fairness. Two handlers plus one only counts still as one RP vs. one RP. Make sense?

Also, it gives a built in disadvantage to a two handler team where only one handler shows up. So in our example above, if CC roleplays 4 times and JA roleplays 4 times and Dan Ryan no shows, what we've got is 4 fully weighted roleplays for CC and a total of 2 fully weighted roleplays for the JA/Ryan team. Now, quality always wins out but I think this is realistic in the sense that the one man would have to be pretty damn good to overcome a fully functioning team as in "real" wrestling.

Thoughts? Opinions? Good idea? Horrible? Am I missing a loophole?

Let me know.

I think in the end, it should be whatever you feel most comfortable with and I'd support the above set-up.

My only question for the future would be: In my thread with the way it broke down, would it still be 1/2 a RP for myself...or would that change due to the fact I was the only one that RP'd for my team?
 

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I think in the end, it should be whatever you feel most comfortable with and I'd support the above set-up.

My only question for the future would be: In my thread with the way it broke down, would it still be 1/2 a RP for myself...or would that change due to the fact I was the only one that RP'd for my team?


Under this set up:

In a two handler team each post is worth half a roleplay. In your thread it went, I believe Miles, Second Coming, Miles.

So altogether you have one full roleplay for Second Coming and one full roleplay for the team of Miles/Beast. Again, this is only for judging weight. If it's two great roleplays in this scenario for the two man team versus an average/mediocre roleplay by the one man team. You still have the cumulative effect of one "great" roleplay vs. one "average" roleplay in judging weight, and the team with the great roleplay wins. It just makes it twice as hard because with one man down, you have to be on top of you game twice as much.

Again now - I'm throwing this stuff out for feedback. Nothing is by any means set in stone nor am I married to this proposal.
 

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Under this set up:

In a two handler team each post is worth half a roleplay. In your thread it went, I believe Miles, Second Coming, Miles.

So altogether you have one full roleplay for Second Coming and one full roleplay for the team of Miles/Beast. Again, this is only for judging weight. If it's two great roleplays in this scenario for the two man team versus an average/mediocre roleplay by the one man team. You still have the cumulative effect of one "great" roleplay vs. one "average" roleplay in judging weight, and the team with the great roleplay wins. It just makes it twice as hard because with one man down, you have to be on top of you game twice as much.

Again now - I'm throwing this stuff out for feedback. Nothing is by any means set in stone nor am I married to this proposal.

I'm cool with that.

Now answer my PM. :cool:
 

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You know what's funny? Seeing Brunk's avatar of a guy thinking really hard, and me visualizing that being Brunk mulling over this issue like, "GARGH!! I CAN'T THINK OF A SOLUTION!!"

Nice beard, though.
 

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lol Jarrett.

I agree with Brunk. Relying on communication between partners isn't very realistic. We're all just too damn busy most of the time. Plus, a PM saying "Get up a damn rp" is just stating the obvious.

I think that IF both guys rp between a OHTs rp they shouldn't get an advantage for having up two. They should be weighed together like one rp from the OHT. BUT, if it goes CC, JA, CC, Brunk, CC, Brunk, CC, JA- no matter the order, that would be each rp counting as on whole one.

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SO if both guys on the THT rp before the OHT, thats the same weight number wise as the OHTs rp.

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With that said, IF only one guy on the THT rps, that should hurt the THT quite a bit. It's not very fair if a guy no-shows and wins anyway imo, but circumstances like this one may be rare instances where this is the case (especially since they didn't choose each other as partners). I remember worrying Aston and I might win (it was a VERY small percentage :eek: ), and thinking 'well that would be total crap if we move on and I didn't even show. I feel bad for Aston every time I think of that damn month + week of 37.

I'd love it if I'm an OHT and both guys rp before I do. That gives me twice as much material.

Originally I thought the stacking clock should reset if the 2nd THT guy rps, but I guess thats debatable.

P.S. Please post matchwriting thread so we can move this puppy along. I'm itching to get mine done before I get knee-deep in busy next week.
 
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I have a question about all of this.

Barry and I often do Forsaken Rp's in a 'joint' fashion, where we both basically just shoot ideas back and forth about a promo, one of us writes it out while we're talking and then one of us posts it, so does that Rp count as a 'whole' rp, or a half, and just cause Barry posted it, does this prevent him from posting a pure Felix Rp, or if I posted it, would I be stopped from a pure First Rp...

Man, it's so hard getting all these worms back into this can.
 

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lol I like the worms analogy.

I say there's one team, then the other team, etc etc etc. Whether its two guys or one, its basically the same thing. Whether a THT both post or a OHT just does a rp or a THT collaborates to one rp or their grandmother writes up a promo without anyone knowing otherwise.... its all the same. Dave, you're a twenty year vet with arguably the best handler rep in the biz. I think you can judge fairly regardless.

I'd drop the 24 hour rp rule and penalize for only one guy on a THT rping within the deadline if I were you. Which I'm not....
 

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I have a question about all of this.

Barry and I often do Forsaken Rp's in a 'joint' fashion, where we both basically just shoot ideas back and forth about a promo, one of us writes it out while we're talking and then one of us posts it, so does that Rp count as a 'whole' rp, or a half, and just cause Barry posted it, does this prevent him from posting a pure Felix Rp, or if I posted it, would I be stopped from a pure First Rp...

Man, it's so hard getting all these worms back into this can.

I would count any joint effort as one full roleplay and not just a half one, no matter who posts it.
 

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