ULTRATITLE Rd. 1 Br. 1 Unofficial Post-RP Predictions Thread!

[Dr Curiosity]

So, it's okay if I write about Dinosaurs, so long as the story is good.Got it.Dinosaurs.

Someone should have told Michael Crichton. Screw Hollywood adaptations, the man could have been an e-fedding legend!

 

[Steve]

I figured if I mentioned the Mike Randalls part, I'd be considered self-shilling.

Ha. Was the death island match 'seen?'

 

[Dr Curiosity]

On the original subject, I expect to lose my first round match. Alas, my free time became a lot less free once the baby came along, etc etc etc.That's not to take anything away from my opponent, who could make inroads here.

 

[The Great Eye]

Billy wants Steve to get on the podcast and defend Zero. "Face me like a man" says Billy.

 

[Steve]

I will never appear on a podcast until Chad apologizes for trying to play my professionally recorded TV themes.

 

[The Great Eye]

Then talk to me on facebook and I will read your comments to Billy live.

 

[bloxham]

Because you are writing in something that typically has a television aspect. So if something is being recorded for public consumption, then the leap of logic is trying to figure out how these things are actually being consumed. And if something in a story is not being recorded for public viewers, then it's not. Easy enough. I never said he was in-character 24/7. To the opposite, and it's stated in the writing, the stories were about the character that he will be performing again in the wrestling world.

And why are we even answering this? Why is the onus on us to explain when our promos are happening? When are your promos happening? You know, the ones that nobody can see? Do you mean to tell me Zero is in character 24/7? Is he a method actor? Is he Daniel Day-Lewis? ANSWER ME!

 

[Justin]

http://chikarapodcast.com/

This explains how "roleplays" would be "seen" by the "audience" in "Defiance."

As for everywhere else, that's really above my pay-grade, now isn't it.

 

[Deacon]

Hey - I read the notes and ratings. As a judge, I can't comment on many of these, at least not yet, but I wanted to thank those who took the time to rate. That's another great thing about this tournament as we all give (and believe me, I've given a LOT of free time to this tourney).

As for Mark Maverick - yeah, I gave my best and really appreciate you taking the time to read it. If you enjoyed it, then great! If you felt the ending was a bit "meh", I can say nothing else except sorry and if I ever take him out of his box again, I'll try to learn from it. Voss probably will go over, but I'm hoping I gave him some laughs and food for thought. Speaking as someone on the inside of this RP battle, he got his character over better than I did and I would think I had a few more one-liners. But I can honestly say if he goes over, he did a great job and helped make it a ton of fun for me!

 

[TheHopper]

Ace Andrews vs Jay Connor Both of thes eguy ought to be thrown out and a drawing done with all losers of first round matches that actually wrote 2 RPs and still lost. You know you would get someone who would work in Round 2 an dnot no show. No matter what....I do not want to see a bye for the second round....nor should either of these losers be allowed to advance.

'Jester' Chad Allen vs Tarrasque Again.....to echo others....way too far in this scene for the stuff added in the promos. Chad Allen was better, IMHO....but Tarrasque also went over numerous lines with his submissions. Allen with the win.

Jeff Andrews vs Dr. Curiosity Andrews killed it....Curiosity left me....well curious.

Justin Voss vs Mark Maverick Like a Voss...

'Arrogance' Joey Melton vs Ethan Archer (j) Melton

Kin Hiroshi vs 'The Dream' Marcus Davis This is a ton closer tan people want to admit. It could be because Muffin Man is so much more known in this arena and Davis is a true outsider.....but Walter wrote some solid stuff and I thought it got the points across better. Davis in a mild upset and close match.

'Daddy' Jared Wells vs Showtime Another close encounter. I felt Showtime pulled this one out by the slightest of margins.

AJ Johnson vs Jace Gryphon I had a lot of hope for AJ here as I knew his work from before, but Jace knocked it out comparitively.

Zero vs Blaine Hollywood Zero. He impressed me with solid, concise and pointed work. He may be one to seriously watch as we move forward.

Dom Jacobs vs El Gordo Grande I think the translation thing is a slight problem....nothign major, but it did hinder some of what was attempted I think. I think Jacobs edges this one out.....but it is close.

Cobra vs 'The Egobuster' Dan Ryan UPSET OF THE TOURNAMENT! I realize that Dan's 2nd RP was meant to be dismissive, but it was lazy and disrespectful in many ways. We're here to work and I LOVED the first one you wrote. It was one of the better ones in the entire bracket. However, I truly do not feel like you worked your hardest and dismissed your opponent in every way.....and disrespected the tournament too. This one isn't as close as others liek to claim it is....I would have scored it 7-3 Cobra.....and that is generous from me.

El Lobo Loco (j) vs Spike Saunders Spike!

The Big Sauce Man (j) vs Sylo Sylo

Umpiro vs Troy Douglas Douglas pulled this one out. The comedic elements o fthis character beign born out of the podcast kind of sealed his fate.....but what a ride. Douglas advances.

'Gentlemen' Jonathan Marx vs King Krusher I'm torn here....I'm going with Marx in a close one.

'Crippler' Cameron Cruise vs Ikan Jobtayoo (j) Cruise

 

[LQJT86C]

Why waste your breath on the narrative versus script argument? That's not what I was debating at all. Narrative, script...I could give a crap what format you choose to write in.

It's not a cop-out to say that roleplays are aired on a fed-owned station or YouTube channel. That's part of the hobby - creatively explaining how events occur within the boundaries of a wrestling promotion. You might not like such an explanation, but at least it follows some logic.

Saying that "we write for each other" and ignoring the in-character audience is just 4th wall breaking crap. That's the real cop out - destroying the very boundaries that make this a creative hobby in the first place in order to justify self-absorbed introspective jargon that gives your opponent nothing to play off of, and inherently acknowledges what's behind the fourth wall.

The problem is that some people decided they didn't like writing within the confines of a wrestling organization theme, and again, I'm not gonna kill you for that. Nobody's STOPPING YOU. If you have fun doing it, go on, have a blast. But I will call it out for what it is in a critique thread.

If it bothers you that the term "e-wrestling" implies that your character is two people: a kayfabe gimmick, and a person playing that gimmick, and you feel held down by parameters such as "Space God isn't Space God in real life", or "You can't murder people and still compete" then just scrap the term e-wrestling and call it "Championship Belt Creative Writing". And then we can all poop crayon dust on the paper and compare notes.

Until that day comes, I refuse to put a gold star on any dog with green crayon dragged all over it reading "ME DRAW TAWTLE!", unless it was done by a child with special needs.

First and foremost we're here to have fun. We all use this as a creative outlet. I don't remember seeing too many sets of rules posted on prodigy a million years ago about how all of this was to happen. If your fed head says, "hey we're the NFW and this is how we look/write/feel roleplays and segments written for cards", then you have a choice to follow those rules or find another fed.

I'll keep my comments centered on Zero/Blaine because that seems to be the hot bed of conversation, and probably will be whichever way the result goes.

I am not a judge.

I will have no say on any match in this tournament. Chad has refused to tell me anything other than I need to buy tickets to see Avengers Friday.

IMO if you start basing what we do in this hobby on being centered by professional wrestling, you're screwed. It's a different animal. It just is. You like to write script form, and imagine everything is seen by a fake audience? Then I'll give you a fake golf clap. Bravo. It's a good way to run things, but its not the only way.

We can't be based in professional wrestling then have roleplay battles. They don't happen. Not in the sense we do them here, and have done them for years. Everything airs on one show. To simply say, "well its aired on blah blah network from 9-11" is a cop out. I'd buy the youtube argument to some degree, except that well we've been doing this since some of us were old enough to program a VCR.

You can write these promos for a fake audience, but there's no good answer for how and where they're aired. We write for each other, always have, always will.

I've written narrative style as well for years. Pete and I were probably two of the first in the FWC circles to try them. I've always thought they belonged in the general rp thread. Just something to be enjoyed by the writer and those who wish to read them.

But when you're having a RP tournament and inviting handlers from all parts of the FW globe, well its like Bloodsport. You're gonna see some styles you don't understand.

To my knowledge, the judges made no mention of having to write in script form or that every rp should be written as aired sandwiched between reruns of Hot In Cleveland. I'm not even sure we heard from all the judges, which is a problem but those who spoke up said they wanted realism and the focus of the rp should be around the UT.

Jamar is held in high regard here, and I imagine that has something to do with the "we're all a happy family" bubble being burst. But to me, as I said before there's beauty in both styles.

Those who know Zero's character but little of Jamar's will lean Zero's way. And the same holds the other way around. This is the challenge for the judges. And will be until Chad hands out the cash money.

Jamar's style popped more for me, but I know little of Zero. I thought the writing was solid, and he's setting up a larger story. However, the one knock on my end was Zero didn't address why he's back, or his opponent enough for my tastes, if at all. The two rps felt like hype pieces, more than tournament pieces.

If he wins, I don't think the world ends, but I just hope in round two he makes the needed distinction between hype and tournament rps.

If Jamar loses, he's almost certain to be given a lucky loser slot and should return with a chip on his shoulder. I think Pete said on a podcast he thought Gregg's style woudln't play well with a rp limit. We'll see if Pete's prophetic on that front.

But, I think its silly to get worked up over whether or not these rps are 'seen.' How can they be?

This is a writing duel between two handlers. The winner is decided by a judge who likes one of the two pieces of writing better. I think its great to have someone like Gregg believe everything he does is on air, and also Pete who lets you know his characters in a deeper way.

There's no right and wrong unless stipulated by the men in lab coats.

If you want realism and to be boxed in by the pro wrestling lines, then never write another rp. Turn to an angle fed where everything is booked behind the scenes, and cards are produced as tv shows, etc. etc.

 

[BMorris]

As somebody who was part of feds on Prodigy Classic in which some really over-the-top storylines and such were done, I can say that, yes, we often stretched the lines of believability in e-wrestling and we probably wouldn't get away with some of that stuff in today... in some e-feds, certainly not.

My philosophy on suspension of disbelief is this: When I find myself having trouble doing so, then I'm less inclined to give praise. I know there are circles out there in which people freely have characters who committed murder and bring that fact up, so yes, there are those who don't care about that. When it comes to somebody committing murder, though, it's harder for me to accept it in e-feds these days. So, from my own personal perspective, if somebody does that in an RP, I'm less inclined to vote in favor of that character.

That being said, if a character does something over the top but it doesn't stretch my suspension of disbelief too much, then go for it. If your character has a birth defect, for example, but you are able to make it work in the context of everything, then have fun with it.

As far as character development goes, that comes back to motivation and intent, but in a tournament or when preparing for a match, you gotta hype the match. That means you bring up the match or tourney, you talk about your opponent, and you detail how you relate to your opponent, staying consistent with your motivation and intent. Fail to bring up the match and/or opponent and you have general RP but not something that makes me interested in the match. If your character doesn't talk about the match, why should anyone care?

Yes, I know... people like to see general character development. But that doesn't mean we just ignore the matches and our opponents, or otherwise they become irrelevant and there is no purpose in having them. So never forget the hype part -- it's an essential part of doing an RP for a match or tourney.

EDIT: Oh, and let me tell you the story about CSWA running a storyline in which the Red Midget was murdered, Sammy Benson got arrested, Chad Merritt was revealed to be behind the whole thing, but it turned out the Red Midget faked his own death... and then Teri Melton woke up to find Hornet in the shower and he told her that season of CSWA was all a dream and none of it ever happend.

OK, I made up the part about Teri and Hornet.

 

[Steve]

We do write for each other. And against each other. Very little consideration is ever given to a fake audience. The beef some have is a narrative 'off-air' rp doesn't give them anything to play off of.

There are no strict rules in fantasy wrestling. Sure, all this airs on youtube. Okay, how bout before youtube? As far as fed owned tv stations, unless we're talking about a WWE channel it hasn't happened yet. Turner owned TBS and WCW but wrestling was given specific hours to get the product over, not air match promos.

However you look at it fw will break some logic. Which isnt' a big deal to me, but some people seem to be bothered about what they can or can't see, and what style its written in.

Again if the new rule is everything is to be aired and this has to be as real as possible, a lot has to change.

 

[blackshire]

These threads serve little purpose other than to cause dissent, not discussion. Remember when all of this was fun and wasn't about taking potshots or playing holier than thou?

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I do.

Why So Serious?

Edit: no one here is going to change anyone's opinions. Leave it to the judges, preferably without bullying or skewing public opinion, and move on.

 

[bloxham]

I remember CWL was fun. fWo was fun. HEW was fun. Then again, in those formats, people worked with each other, not against. And telling a story was paramount.

These threads serve little purpose other than to cause dissent, not discussion. Remember when all of this was fun and wasn't about taking potshots or playing holier than thou?

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I do.

Why So Serious?

Edit: no one here is going to change anyone's opinions. Leave it to the judges, preferably without bullying or skewing public opinion, and move on.

 

[Unregistered]

These threads serve little purpose other than to cause dissent, not discussion. Remember when all of this was fun and wasn't about taking potshots or playing holier than thou?

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I do.

Why So Serious?

Edit: no one here is going to change anyone's opinions. Leave it to the judges, preferably without bullying or skewing public opinion, and move on.

+ 500 XP

 

[User Poets]

Can we get to what's really important?

Space God is always Space God.

 

[Steve]

I think all of this was done in good fun. But i am done.

Good luck to all. Lots of great writing.

Let's have fun and pants Katz.

 

[JeffOLW]

So, it's okay if I write about Dinosaurs, so long as the story is good.

Got it.

Dinosaurs.

So does this mean you want me to bring back Ultra Raptor?

 

[LQJT86C]

Public access? ESEN? Chad TV? You can justify that in a million different ways. That's where the "fantasy" comes in. Everybody just created a millionaire/billionaire owner and went from there. Yeah, it's a little ridiculous that this is the "pro-wrestling economy" where every rich dude apparently owns an org, but that's not out of the bounds of reality or logic.

Of course we have and will continue to break logic on occasion - I've done it, almost everybody has. But at least I call it for what it is, and acknowledge that it shouldn't be rewarded. The point isn't necessarily to be as real as possible - just make sense. Not everything that can be explained is GOOD, but at least it follows some logic.

Now if you MANNED UP AND FACED ME LIKE A MAN STEVE we could have had this argument on the podcast.

We do write for each other. And against each other. Very little consideration is ever given to a fake audience. The beef some have is a narrative 'off-air' rp doesn't give them anything to play off of.

There are no strict rules in fantasy wrestling. Sure, all this airs on youtube. Okay, how bout before youtube? As far as fed owned tv stations, unless we're talking about a WWE channel it hasn't happened yet. Turner owned TBS and WCW but wrestling was given specific hours to get the product over, not air match promos.

However you look at it fw will break some logic. Which isnt' a big deal to me, but some people seem to be bothered about what they can or can't see, and what style its written in.

Again if the new rule is everything is to be aired and this has to be as real as possible, a lot has to change.