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Justin

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This place has turned into a graveyard.

All of the no-shows, misjudging, and lopsided matches have sucked the energy out of this tournament.

And we're not even half through.

Thoughts?
 

fugginVOSS

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Addressing these points as I see them...

Graveyard?
I don't think that's necessarily the case. It's like when you first get a girlfriend and you're all excited and you want to be near them and do things with (to) them and then after a couple of weeks that honeymoon period starts to dissipate. That's what tournaments are like and I would assume by now we should have weeded out most of the people who were here simply for the fact they got excited about TEG TORNEMOUNT! and have the people who are really interested in competing. I wouldn't say Graveyard but I would suggest the honeymoon period has come to an end the excitement will start to peak again once we get through to the Sweet Sixteen. It is a MASSIVE tournament.

NO-SHOWS
This pisses me off mostly. Simply for the fact there were some classic battles and some really good guys got knocked out (mostly me) and there are still people not showing up in Round 2. Round 3 no-shows should be banned! LOL. But 'tis the nature of the beast really. You gotta expect this no matter WHAT you're doing.

Mis-judging
I don't think there's such a thing as mis-judging because the rulings come from the people with the experience. Experience being the key here as we all come from varying experiences and the judges prove that each round. I wouldn't suffice to say that I believe all the judges made the right decision (see my comment about me being knocked out :p) but I would tell you I don't necessarily agree with what they say and what they might make their decisions based upon. Again, this comes down to my experience and what I find entertaining over say what Ford or Pete or Stanton or Spike find entertaining.

There's no such thing as mis-judging unless someone comes back and says "Oh wow, I totally fucked that one up."

Lopsided Matches
I'm not sure I get where you're going with that.
 

Ernie

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I think "lopsided matches" may have been a criticism of the actual matches as they were written on the card. Justin, can you clarify?
 

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You should expect no shows at the beginning of a tournament because the 'expected value' is so low. Like in any game where you try hardest when victory is in sight. I believe we will see less no shows as it proceeds. Not to mention ~100 people, have to expect some flakes.

As for misjudging, it can happen, but c'mon, a committee of voting judges explaining the criteria at the onset, and then voluntarily offering post-judge feedback... that's as good as this hobby is ever going to get, unless we all want to start paying for this.

As for graveyard, chilly down brother, it was Memorial Day Weekend (in the States.)
 

Justin

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VOSS YOU ARSEHOWL!

I'm cool with the matches on the shows, I mean there's been a lot of matches where people have obviously destroyed their opponents, and then the judges vote 6-4 or 5-5 based on something asinine.

You know what, ignore everything I said.

This tournament rules.
 

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I think its a combination of less people being involved as the tournament weeds people out, people trying to focus on there next RPs and opponents, and Brunk.
 

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I agree, Justin. Some instances seeing which way the judging goes it really does surprise me but that's the nature of the beast. Judge A likes this and Judge B likes that. Controversy is what makes tournaments like these memorable. Mind you, scoring out of ten can really put some perspective on things. Particularly when there are instances where you don't even want to dish out the full ten points.

This tournament DOES rule simply for the fact that we're pretty much through a couple of rounds and the steam keeps building. I think we're going to see some amazing stuff coming out of the last few rounds, especially as the smoke clears and we can start seeing the fires left behind.

And I tell you now... I plan to continue providing the feedback as I see it when I'm judging so people know where I stand. And if you're interested in seeing where I stand I suggest you go and read the comments I provided to the Bracket 2 guys.
 

Chad

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This thing is horrible. I'm glad that guy admitted on the podcast today that it's all a big setup for that Hornet dude to run in and beat 16 guys at once so this thing ends after two more rounds.

This place has turned into a graveyard.

All of the no-shows, misjudging, and lopsided matches have sucked the energy out of this tournament.

And we're not even half through.

Thoughts?
 

fugginVOSS

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This thing is horrible. I'm glad that guy admitted on the podcast today that it's all a big setup for that Hornet dude to run in and beat 16 guys at once so this thing ends after two more rounds.
It's a shame when you need 164 guys to put you over, huh, Merritt? :p
 

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I have noticed a slump, but nothing too bad, and mostly in responses to the cards. Let's face it - activity happens when something surprising occurs. Round 1, we had Ryan go out and the whole Hollywood/Zero issue. I think the Hollywood/Zero led to a request for judges to post their thoughts, which many of us have done. That, IMO, stopped a lot of the conversations as people now knew what cost a match (or won it). I got a bit of heat for my hatred of the masked reporter, but I didn't respond and that died pretty quickly (and I didn't respond because Ford jumped in and said exactly what I was going to say). Round 2... didn't have as much of that, but right now we have some heat over "walls of text" or whatever. In general, things are leveling off and we should have a build up in the next show.

I'm sorry if I've missed some votes - I certainly don't use the 7-3 as frequently as the 6-4 or 5-5, but that's largely my "nice-ness". I try to be a bit harsher, but let's face it, only one Brunk around these parts and I'm not him.

One other thing I would comment is - This tourney is about wins and not storylines (at least not yet). That limits the excitement in many ways as we're not building to anything more than 1 person winning a tournament. As someone who's read LOADS of these RPs to judge and write the matches, 75% or more of the opponents have the exact same plan or reason for doing this. Hopefully, that'll morph as we get closer to the end and storylines begin to develop.

I've had fun w/ it - even if Mark Maverick got bumped in Rd. 1, it was a blast to write the old character. Even though Deac has faced a no-show and a jobber, I think I turned it into a fun situation (you'll see what I mean when Bracket 4 goes up), if for me, as soon as I can start in w/ Deacon on the Godfather.

At least that's my plan!
 

Justin

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This thing is horrible. I'm glad that guy admitted on the podcast today that it's all a big setup for that Hornet dude to run in and beat 16 guys at once so this thing ends after two more rounds.

I'd pay to see this.

This at least would feel special.
 

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Speaking strictly for myself, a lot of the personal hype I felt, deflated when Zero won. It's sort of continued with my two victories(Although, I would like to thank Voss for his outstanding judges notes).

I'm going to rail on this for a moment here. Zero should never have won. His hype rp's and what he's putting together for the tournament are completely interchangeable. He kills the feel, and honestly letting him continue to put out his poorly written vague lifetime styled melodrama is doing more harm than good.

It's not a matter of narrative .v promo, the promo should be the narrative, we were given a fine fine example of this between Jeff Andrews and The Vossman. What Zero's handler is doing is nothing related to anything, he can't even provide a decent context for why anyone should give a **** about his writing. I feel like his and Eastwood roleplay battles between their respective foes are again interchangeable.

Can you tell me the honest difference between what is being written for the Zero character and what Jack Eastwood did?

The difference is Eastwood used a racial slur in his roleplay. Which frankly showed a lot more balls than a tepid, bland character piece by a middle tier story teller. Boogie Smalls, and Blaine Hollywood both took a very old school approach, and they both succeeded where their bloated counterparts failed.

If ANYONE else had posted the Zero material with a different name and no mildly prominent fedding background, he's out first round, no one cares. You actually got to see this when Jack Eastwood was rightfully bounced for writing an atrocious drug deal story that resonated emptily with the judges, Slap Zero's name on it, and he moves on, slap the Eastwood character in the Zero' roleplays and the situation is reversed.

The fact that this one horrendously bad writer is more or less moving on, on name value alone(and a no-show now) makes this tournament feel booked. Which if this were the case, I would be 100% fine with. But I was under the impression this was a make it on your own steam styled thing.

I'm just starting to feel non-plussed on the whole thing, this started it. and Now honestly, I'm feeling more and more like I'm filling a slot until I come against a big name.

It's been made pretty clear, I'm going to lose to Orphan(and baring him no-showing), I'll go down to Strife. Of course this is assuming that I get past Hopper(who I do like, and have gabbed about food with on AIM several times.). Now again, these guys have rightfully earned their spots. I respect the cache that comes with being solid/goood for a number of years consistently. But lets be honest. even if I wrote the best work of my life against those three dudes, and they wrote the consistent good work they have done for as long as I've been reading. I'm getting 5-5 maybe 4-6 in their favor.

I don't feel like this tournament is winnable, unless one of the big remaining names makes some stupid stupid mistake. The podcasts more or less have backed this up. the judging has supported this. There are a lot of handlers in this I would love to work with past/present/future. Maybe I get lucky and these three pull a Dan Ryan type thing(again <3 to Dan, I also had Cobra-la pegged for a single rp) But I don't see it.

Personally, I'm playing a middle card character, I enjoy it, it gives me the kind of juice I enjoy, and the freedom to post wacky roleplays. I just wished I hadn't blown four pretty solid ones on this instead.
 

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We get it that you dislike the Zero character and his roleplays, as you've pointed it out several times. However, I think that its a bit foolish to state that he is advancing based upon name recognition alone when he hasn't been active in the fantasy wrestling community in years. There are several judges that evaluate his roleplays, not just one and I'm pretty sure they are not all familiar with him. His style is relevant and it is building upon the story (in correlation with his hype roleplays). If you dislike his style, then that's fine, as it is your opinion. However, I think its time to lay off the entire "this is a set-up" cry and allow this tournament to run its course, taking it for what its worth....fun.

Andy is an outstanding writer, but his style is unique in comparision to what most FW'ers are used to in this game. With a tournament of this size/caliber, there's going to be a bit of controversy and definitely a difference in opinions. Nevertheless, I think the judges have clearly shown that a "big name" doesn't necessarily guarantee a victory/advancement in this tournament.
 

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Or some people are disappearing up theirs
 

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I think there has been a lull, but it's only natural - as people get eliminated they are less inclined to keep reading all the roleplays and will perhaps come back just for the results (or not at all). And just by the nature of the beast, you might lose some of those people, who were eliminated, because of the length of time it takes to move on.

In general though, even with the people who are here (survivors, eliminated or just lurkers), there is always going to be a lull leading up to and returning from a holiday weekend - that's just life.
 

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I know in my bracket that that RP turnout in round 2 was better than in round 1. That's what counts to me. Hype hit its peak before people had matches to RP for. Now they do. Who cares???
 

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