OFFICIAL "I like my wrestlers to have pee-pees" THREAD

[MikeyMassacre]

Re: ULTRATITLE Rd. 3 Br. 3+4 Unofficial Post-RP Predictions Thread!

What I stated is completely different then what you're quoting me as posting in my roleplay, therefore, please supply the exact quote.

In addition, I don't know if the female wrestler has a male (which I've seen before) or female handler (perhaps Mikey Massacre's handler can shed a little light on the situation). I'm not discrediting female handlers at all, as I've worked with several during my time in this game.

Ultimately, you're taking a ROLEPLAY and what a CHARACTER said as my personal thoughts. Codine has historically been a heel, hence the stance in the roleplays. As I said, you're entitled to your opinion, but your completely off with the assessment/interpretations of my roleplays.

To be honest, I am not entirely sure of the handler's gender, but I am 95% sure the handler is a male. REBEL Pro is part of the AoWF where, for whatever reason, there are a lot of male handlers playing female characters. <shrug>

 

[JeffOLW]

Re: ULTRATITLE Rd. 3 Br. 3+4 Unofficial Post-RP Predictions Thread!

I've never really understood how people can get butthurt about women fighting men in a professional wrestling match because it's WOAHMG SO UNREALISTIC ITS STOOPID when most of the basic staples of professional wrestling are even stupider. Any sufficiently trained woman could knock out a man with a lucky kick to the head, no matter how miniscule the odds, but the Irish Whip, which every wrestling fan in the world accepts as part of The Way The Sport Is, is a violation of the laws of physics.

 

[SpookyDoom]

Re: ULTRATITLE Rd. 3 Br. 3+4 Unofficial Post-RP Predictions Thread!

Okay, let's settle this!

What I said:

"The Blade" Kendall Codine vs Mickey Massacre
Codine with a weak start wanting to solidify gender roles... in a hobby that wants to attract as many new faces as possible.

I referenced what you wrote here:

There are several things that woman do better than men….

Cook….

Clean….

Complain….

Wrestling SHOULD NOT be one of them.

Is that not solidifying gender roles? Yes it is. I am consistant with what I said and provided a quote from your RP. Now, you try to distinguish yourself from your character... well that's a pretty ****ty character that doesn't help the current male-female relation in e-wrestling. If a female handler wants to RP a female character, stuff like what you're writing is discouraging them from participating.

I agree that it's too late to discourage something that made no sense to begin with. At the end of the day, if you want to RP a female character, there's really no other option but to put her in with the males. It's a shame, because female divisions would be so much more interesting, but oh well.

Ha ha miles away from what I said. "The sooner the better" does not imply a set point in time when attempting to rectify a wrong situation has passed. But I'm glad you agree that at the end of the day, those handlers who want to RP with female characters should get to compete with the boys; therefore the sooner you can accept female wrestlers as threats/competitive wrestlers, the better we'll all be.

And just for the hat trick...

I've never really understood how people can get butthurt about women fighting men in a professional wrestling match because it's WOAHMG SO UNREALISTIC ITS STOOPID when most of the basic staples of professional wrestling are even stupider. Any sufficiently trained woman could knock out a man with a lucky kick to the head, no matter how miniscule the odds, but the Irish Whip, which every wrestling fan in the world accepts as part of The Way The Sport Is, is a violation of the laws of physics.

The reason I never liked intergender matches was because it presented the scenario of glorification of violence towards women. We can all agree that Vicky Guerrero makes for an effective heel but I shudder to think of any babyface that would give her comeuppance by beating her up. Well in e-wrestling that would happen. That's my big reason for not wanting intergender e-wrestling.

 

[MikeyMassacre]

Re: ULTRATITLE Rd. 3 Br. 3+4 Unofficial Post-RP Predictions Thread!

The reason I never liked intergender matches was because it presented the scenario of glorification of violence towards women. We can all agree that Vicky Guerrero makes for an effective heel but I shudder to think of any babyface that would give her comeuppance by beating her up. Well in e-wrestling that would happen. That's my big reason for not wanting intergender e-wrestling.

To be fair, though, that would also be using gender roles, no? There are plenty of feminists who would argue that equality demands equal treatment in all respects. Not that I am one of them, or that I do not have the same problem as you, but if we're going to be representing a feminist perspective, we should recognize there is actually a huge divide in the feminist camp about whether biological differences should be recognized at all.

The bottom line is it is a messy thing when we start criticizing characters and attributing what they say to what our handlers intend. And it is stupid that I even have to bring up feminist perspectives in a fake fake wrestling game. I don't think it was particularly effective for Codine to say what he said, but to call out his handler for it? Ehhh, life's too short, and there are too many people who are explicitly denigrating women to be nitpicking and trying to find something when there might very well be nothing there at all.

 

[User Poets]

Re: ULTRATITLE Rd. 3 Br. 3+4 Unofficial Post-RP Predictions Thread!

Let's sum this up in two lines:

1: A 140 pound woman beating a 400 pound man is the same as a 160 pound man beating a 400 pound man: write it realistically and playing to their strengths and it's completely logical. The bottom line is, in an RP fed the better writer should win, regardless of the wrestler dimensions.

2: This is nitpicking to the extreme and is not doing any good. Move on, folks.

 

[SpookyDoom]

Re: ULTRATITLE Rd. 3 Br. 3+4 Unofficial Post-RP Predictions Thread!

To be fair, though, that would also be using gender roles, no? There are plenty of feminists who would argue that equality demands equal treatment in all respects. Not that I am one of them, or that I do not have the same problem as you, but if we're going to be representing a feminist perspective, we should recognize there is actually a huge divide in the feminist camp about whether biological differences should be recognized at all.

The topic of glorification of violence against women has nothing to do with gender roles. It's not a woman's role to be beat up, but that is a wrestler's role. So I don't want any scenarios where "the fans" would want to cheer a woman getting beat up. It's an equal but different thing.

I made my point so unless people think I'm evading responsibility somehow, I'll stop this now.

 

[MikeyMassacre]

Re: ULTRATITLE Rd. 3 Br. 3+4 Unofficial Post-RP Predictions Thread!

The topic of glorification of violence against women has nothing to do with gender roles. It's not a woman's role to be beat up, but that is a wrestler's role. So I don't want any scenarios where "the fans" would want to cheer a woman getting beat up. It's an equal but different thing.

I made my point so unless people think I'm evading responsibility somehow, I'll stop this now.

You accused KRobinson of using gender roles. (Your words, not mine.) I simply pointed out you did the same thing. That's all. But, please, let's move on.

Lots of good RPs to discuss and provide feedback on.

 

[TH]

Re: ULTRATITLE Rd. 3 Br. 3+4 Unofficial Post-RP Predictions Thread!

Let's sum this up in two lines:

1: A 140 pound woman beating a 400 pound man is the same as a 160 pound man beating a 400 pound man: write it realistically and playing to their strengths and it's completely logical. The bottom line is, in an RP fed the better writer should win, regardless of the wrestler dimensions.

2: This is nitpicking to the extreme and is not doing any good. Move on, folks.

This, a million times.

 

[User Poets]

Re: ULTRATITLE Rd. 3 Br. 3+4 Unofficial Post-RP Predictions Thread!

The next person who continues the gender roles discussion in this thread will be sorry.

 

[MikeyMassacre]

Re: ULTRATITLE Rd. 3 Br. 3+4 Unofficial Post-RP Predictions Thread!

The next person who continues the gender roles discussion in this thread will be sorry.

Sometimes I tuck it between my legs just to see what it would look like.

 

[User Poets]

Re: ULTRATITLE Rd. 3 Br. 3+4 Unofficial Post-RP Predictions Thread!

Sometimes I tuck it between my legs just to see what it would look like.

I'll let that slide because I enjoy a good flippant remark, but you're not helping, sir.

 

[Linguistic]

Re: ULTRATITLE Rd. 3 Br. 3+4 Unofficial Post-RP Predictions Thread!

Mickey Mouse-uhker is all I can think about since I am with my kids at Disney this week. Thanks for that, person who shall not be named. All I will say from my limited readings of this entire round for all brackets is that it's been the most contested round of the tournament, as it should be!

 

[TheOriginalSE]

Re: ULTRATITLE Rd. 3 Br. 3+4 Unofficial Post-RP Predictions Thread!

I think something like 5 out of 8 matches went 6/6 RPs..

Although, I wish I thought of it earlier, but Holzer and I should have done our entire RP battle through campaign propaganda images. That would have been fun.

 

[DBrunkGXW]

Re: ULTRATITLE Rd. 3 Br. 3+4 Unofficial Post-RP Predictions Thread!

Duchess is the greatest character who ever existed. I'm so thirsty for a diet coke right now.

 

[KRobinson]

Re: ULTRATITLE Rd. 3 Br. 3+4 Unofficial Post-RP Predictions Thread!

Spooky is out of his mind.

Pete out of respect for you, I'll end the discussion.

 

[SpookyDoom]

Re: ULTRATITLE Rd. 3 Br. 3+4 Unofficial Post-RP Predictions Thread!

Spooky is out of his mind.

Pete out of respect for you, I'll end the discussion.

No. Explain your position or I'm reporting this as an insult. Although I kinda figured it wouldn't end things, I did take the time to quote the specific passages that you requested so you owe it to me to explain how I'm the one who's out of his mind here.

 

[KRobinson]

Re: ULTRATITLE Rd. 3 Br. 3+4 Unofficial Post-RP Predictions Thread!

Your posts are explanation enough as to why you're out of your mind, so report away.

 

[LQJT86C]

Re: ULTRATITLE Rd. 3 Br. 3+4 Unofficial Post-RP Predictions Thread!

Let's sum this up in two lines:

1: A 140 pound woman beating a 400 pound man is the same as a 160 pound man beating a 400 pound man: write it realistically and playing to their strengths and it's completely logical.

Actually, this is not true at all. Look if you guys want to re-define physics for a fantasy hobby, whatever, that's cool. But if we're talking about what is plausible enough in a real fight to pass for "suspension of disbelief" in wrestling, equating a 160-pound man's odds against a 400 pounder versus the odds of a 140 pound woman, it's not even close.

Go watch Butter Bean lose via heel hook to 175 pound Ikuhisu Minowa, or for a lesser example, Royce Gracie tap out 265 pound Kimo. Then replace those men with a women's bantamweight fighter. Tell me she has the same shot as men of similar weight, factoring in testosterone, strength differential, etc. Wouldn't matter anyway, because putting a woman into an openweight men's fight would be f*cking illegal in the first place, not to mention morally reprehensible. The only way the woman has a shot is if she's a professional, and the male is an amateur.

It's the same in the grappling world. I'm sure Kyra Gracie would run through the amateur grappling ranks like goose sh*t, but put her in a similar weight class with men of the same experience level, and she's getting mercked. This is why smart people created weight divisions and separate combat by gender long ago.

As for the Irish Whip example, you're probably right, but here's a big difference: the public at large can be fooled into thinking some unrealistic move is possible, because they by and large don't understand combat and grappling. On the other hand, anybody with half a brain understands it's wrong to match a professional male against a professional female in a combat setting, whether it's wrestling or MMA or whatever. Hence, suspension of disbelief is very possible for one (Irish WHIP!), and nearly impossible for the other (Barbie taps Ken!). If you believe it can happen, you're lying to yourself out of oath to political correctness.

But if you really, really believe that a female has equal shot at beating a man when weight is equal, then slapping a woman should probably be considered no worse than slapping another man.

For the record, I wouldn't book a 160 lb man over a 400 pounder either...

 

[LQJT86C]

Re: ULTRATITLE Rd. 3 Br. 3+4 Unofficial Post-RP Predictions Thread!

Oops, just saw Pete's threat now. SORRY PETE!

No harm no foul. We're just having a discussion. This has actually been more civil than the wall of text sh*t.

 

[DBrunkGXW]

Re: ULTRATITLE Rd. 3 Br. 3+4 Unofficial Post-RP Predictions Thread!

So. Three pages. One person gives actual feedback, and everything else in the thread is reaction to that one person's feedback.

You all suck.