Round 2 Bracket 2 Results Discussion

[TheOriginalSE]

Re: Voss' B2-R2 Judging Comments

Well, I mean, he judged it 5-5.. the tiebreaker went to something that he thought was more pleasing to read/easier on the eye. If something is incredibly close like he says it was, then formatting and aesthetic **** can tip the scale. I mean, honestly, it's not like RPing aesthetics have never played a part in determining results before.

That doesn't mean that I agree w/ his "wall of text" assessment. I don't. When I think of a wall of text, I think of paragraphs after paragraphs with a mere single line space between. I think he just wanted more scenery to look at .. something to help "set the mood."

 

[Aaron]

Re: Voss' B2-R2 Judging Comments

Well, I mean, he judged it 5-5.. the tiebreaker went to something that he thought was more pleasing to read/easier on the eye. If something is incredibly close like he says it was, then formatting and aesthetic **** can tip the scale. I mean, honestly, it's not like RPing aesthetics have never played a part in determining results before.

That doesn't mean that I agree w/ his "wall of text" assessment. I don't. When I think of a wall of text, I think of paragraphs after paragraphs with a mere single line space between. I think he just wanted more scenery to look at .. something to help "set the mood."

Like a vanilla candle, or maybe some yanni.

 

[Spike Saunders]

Re: Voss' B2-R2 Judging Comments

Meh.

To be clear: I read it. All.

Obviously others feel differently and this is how Roleplays are expected around here.
Fair enough.
I've already asked Chad to replace me for Round 3, so go forth with your walls of dialogue.

 

[DBrunkGXW]

Re: Voss' B2-R2 Judging Comments

Like a vanilla candle, or maybe some yanni.

I LOVE VANILLA CANDLES!!!

 

[DBrunkGXW]

Re: Voss' B2-R2 Judging Comments

Meh.

To be clear: I read it. All.

Obviously others feel differently and this is how Roleplays are expected around here.
Fair enough.
I've already asked Chad to replace me for Round 3, so go forth with your walls of dialogue.

It was just a perception, Dusty. I'm not the mind reading God of e-fedding or anything. Sheesh.

What's with the sudden "take my ball and go home" mentality around here lately? It's like we've been invaded by bi*ches. No one can take criticism anymore.

No one had a more embarrassing outcome with their main character in this tournament than me, but here I am, taking my lumps, judging roleplay, writing matches where I can and sticking around. I didn't think it was gonna end up coming down to massaging egos and walking on eggshells around people so often. Jesus Christ.

 

[LQJT86C]

Re: Voss' B2-R2 Judging Comments

It was just a perception, Dusty. I'm not the mind reading God of e-fedding or anything. Sheesh.

What's with the sudden "take my ball and go home" mentality around here lately? It's like we've been invaded by bi*ches. No one can take criticism anymore.

No one had a more embarrassing outcome with their main character in this tournament than me, but here I am, taking my lumps, judging roleplay, writing matches where I can and sticking around. I didn't think it was gonna end up coming down to massaging egos and walking on eggshells around people so often. Jesus Christ.

Houstoners threw cabbage at Dan Ryan when he returned home! Hakeem unsigned his son's jersey. The man's being forced to move to LA and go in on a Clippers season ticket package with Castor Strife for god's sake!

 

[Chad]

Re: Voss' B2-R2 Judging Comments

Questioning a decision or rationale is fine. Questioning someone's character and ethic when they've put in effort to help run a tournament for which they have no reason to isn't. Several judges voted for Anarky for various reasons. Nuff said.

You mean to tell me that a bunch of paragraphs broken up with parenthetical descriptions of arm movement makes or breaks an RP for you?

(Pauses...wipes sweat off face)

I dunno man, it just kinda sounds like you didn't feel like reading a bunch of words. Maybe I'm jumping to conclusions based on your "giant walls of text" comment, but that really makes it sound like you didn't pay attention to what was being written due to a daunting amount of written words. I get that there are some guys who just write repetitive dialogue ad nauseum to reach a certain point of quantity, but if the dialogue is good, what does it matter that they forgot to include a 6 word description of a thumb pointing to a chest?

Hey, look, I'm with you when it comes to supplanting line breaks with some type of description, but to make such a minute detail the focal point of your judging decision while seemingly ignoring what was actually written reeks of laziness to me.

My opinion? You didn't read it.

 

[LQJT86C]

Re: Voss' B2-R2 Judging Comments

I don't see what anybody else voting for Anarky has to do with it. Nobody questioned Anarky winning. I thought both guys did a great job, and either deserved to win. Friends with both handlers as well, so personally, I could give a crap.

But I absolutely question the effort put forth by someone whose reasoning for a vote is "giant walls of text." That's also extremely disrespectful to the writers who put in the effort to have their work dismissed like that. It's Spike's own fault for leaving the type of feedback that would lead one to believe that he judged a block of text without paying it mind. Not the only one who feels this way, either. I'm not looking to come down on people, but you really, really can't make this stuff up.

 

[Zezu]

Re: Voss' B2-R2 Judging Comments

I don't see what anybody else voting for Anarky has to do with it. Nobody questioned Anarky winning. I thought both guys did a great job, and either deserved to win. Friends with both handlers as well, so personally, I could give a crap.But I absolutely question the effort put forth by someone whose reasoning for a vote is "giant walls of text." That's also extremely disrespectful to the writers who put in the effort to have their work dismissed like that. It's Spike's own fault for leaving the type of feedback that would lead one to believe that he judged a block of text without paying it mind. Not the only one who feels this way, either. I'm not looking to come down on people, but you really, really can't make this stuff up.

But you ARE coming down on him. Quite badly infact and I'm sure you know that. Would you rather his reason for the win was the use of they're instead of there or something similar? It's just the same. As someone said above he scored it a draw, so something needs to split the decision. It was that close to him. Does it maybe hinder your judgement because you are friends with the guys?To question his effort or even make the statement he never read it is as ignorant as you are claiming Spike to be in my opinion. Maybe the judges just shouldnt give their notes if we can't play nice.

 

[The Great Eye]

Re: Voss' B2-R2 Judging Comments

Maybe the judges just shouldnt give their notes if we can't play nice.

So you would rather have the judges vote in secret and we have no idea what they want to see in Rp's so Ultratitle comes down to mind-reading the judging panel to guess what they want you to write. I think posting feedback is vital to the tournament because if you don't then people don't know how they should approach a match. In Dusty's case straight trash talk was something he didn't like and if I had known that I'd have written differently, The judging explaining themselves is important so people know the rules of the playing field they are competing on

 

[Zezu]

Re: Voss' B2-R2 Judging Comments

So you would rather have the judges vote in secret and we have no idea what they want to see in Rp's so Ultratitle comes down to mind-reading the judging panel to guess what they want you to write. I think posting feedback is vital to the tournament because if you don't then people don't know how they should approach a match. In Dusty's case straight trash talk was something he didn't like and if I had known that I'd have written differently, The judging explaining themselves is important so people know the rules of the playing field they are competing on

I don't really know what the judges want from me right now. Spike is the only judge to give me any feedback so it makes no difference to me at this juncture. People should approach the match how they want to approach it. Not, in my opinion, changing their style to suit the judges in their round. If I'm out, I'm out. I guess the tongue and cheek comment was due to the level of heat Spike had got from a off the cuff remark.

 

[LQJT86C]

Re: Voss' B2-R2 Judging Comments

But you ARE coming down on him. Quite badly infact and I'm sure you know that. Would you rather his reason for the win was the use of they're instead of there or something similar? It's just the same. As someone said above he scored it a draw, so something needs to split the decision. It was that close to him. Does it maybe hinder your judgement because you are friends with the guys?To question his effort or even make the statement he never read it is as ignorant as you are claiming Spike to be in my opinion. Maybe the judges just shouldnt give their notes if we can't play nice.

-I said I'm not looking to come down on people, i.e. not looking for any excuse to criticize somebody. I am, in fact, looking to come down on Spike, because his sole vote justification was that he voted for the guy who gave him line breaks.

-No, they're/their/there is not a good tiebreaker either. Especially when no indication of WHY it was a tie is given in the first place. It would also be nice if a tiebreaker had something remotely to do with the quality of the work.

-Why would being friends with both handlers hinder my judgement? I had no dog in this race, and one vote didn't decide the match anyway.

-Judges are not infallible or beyond reproach. When you say things that belie a lack of effort in evaluating roleplay, you deserve to get called out for that lack of effort. Honestly, if "giant walls of text" was simply the feedback Spike gave in the thread, I could understand. Maybe he had other reasons, and just didn't feel like posting it here. But that's what he sent to Chad along with his vote, which just amazes me. It so obviously sounds like he couldn't be bothered to read...and again, it's not just me who is saying that.

-No, this is exactly why they should provide notes. That's the whole point of accountability.

 

[Spike Saunders]

Re: Voss' B2-R2 Judging Comments

Brunk, what the hell is bi*ches

The queen's loss its top, the pawns have two tops?

 

[Steve]

Re: Voss' B2-R2 Judging Comments

people, people...

there are no judges.

ITS ALL CHAD!

IMO Dusty just set himself up by giving clearly the most difficult match the only feedback of "i hate wall of texts." I'm sure (?) more went into it than that, but in all fairness he opened the door.

That said I generally hate Doc Silver and always have. And I hate Mike more.

 

[The Great Eye]

Re: Voss' B2-R2 Judging Comments

I will vote against Joey Melton 10-0 every time I have him in a bracket I am judging from now on, unless he shaves and moves his arms a lot, then it'll be 9-1

 

[Spike Saunders]

Oh **** me... you were getting past the language filter. LOL. Sorry. Ignore that.


LQJT86C,
I can't specifically state the guidelines that we have been requested to follow. But in slim form, to judge the roleplays for a match we give a 0-0 in terms of 10 points decided between the two. If it's a tie, then we still need a winner obviously. Both came off strong in my opinion. In the end, it was that that 'wall of text' statement that tipped my decision.
That is it. I did this all on my laptop when I went home for the weekend, that laptop still back there, thus the slim-form/mostly nothing... I ONLY posted because a few people asked. Again what I posted is what I sent chad. HECK before this round, I had no comments whatsoever sent to Chad and he can atest to that

I'm more shocked that that pair is the only one that seems to have stuck out. But it is what it is.

 

[LQJT86C]

If it's a tie, then we still need a winner obviously.

Actually no, you don't. One more reason for me to think you pay little to no attention to any of this.

 

[The Great Eye]

I have voted 3 draws in the tournament so far.

 

[Chad]

You need to back down. Questioning a rationale is one thing. Questioning someone's dedication and integrity is another. There's absolutely no reason to question anyone's integrity in this tournament. Shut it down.

Actually no, you don't. One more reason for me to think you pay little to no attention to any of this.

 

[TheOriginalSE]

This is a tournament. Draws don't belong in tournaments.