Re: ULTRATITLE Rd. 3 Br. 3+4 Unofficial Post-RP Predictions Thread!
Right, WWE never does anything crazy.
Mostly, people who don't like intergender in e-wrestling come across to me like they just don't like getting beat by a chick. This is never more evident than in the constant railing against Lindsay, who was told she'd never be given a shot against the guys her whole career until she found somewhere where she'd get a fair shake, and not only did she hang, she excelled. And then, when people come back at her with the same old "girls should be managers and valets" stuff, they act shocked and appalled that she'd give them an attitude about it. Meanwhile, some of these same people are running some of the most absurd angles you've ever seen, and if called on it, defend it behind "hey, isn't it all just to have fun? Calm down!" Well, apparently, "this is a hobby. We're just here to have fun" only applies if you have a d*ck. If not, it's serious business and MUST BE REALISTIC!
Whatever, guys. You're free to have your opinions, but the double (and sometimes triple) standards are ridiculous.
Who told Lindsay she was never getting a shot? Wasn't she like a two time PRIME Uni champ and a belt holder elsewhere pretty early into her e-fedding experience, even before she won in EPW? I'm sure she could set the record straight on that one either way, but I guarantee you she found success in this hobby much quicker than a lot of people did (including myself), and props to her. I always thought she was a very good writer, even though her character wasn't necessarily my favorite. But let's not go re-writing history like Lindsay was white-fire but never got a fair shake until one man saw her potential and changed her life forever. She came into e-fedding, won some big titles a few years later, and left with much acclaim. Congrats Lindz, YOU ARE THE NEW YORK YANKEES! ::John Cena slaps me::
And how many times have I and others sh*t on angles for being completely over the top and unbelievable? When I was running NLW, I straight up told somebody that I was never going to push their 145 pound character. Rey Mysterio beating big guys at 205 pounds is one thing - there is actually precedent for that, and it's not as unbelievable as you think. 150-160 pound men beating monsters? That's stupid, and makes wrestling look phony as f*ck, which, correct me if I'm wrong, isn't that something the business tries to avoid? Don't we say that a good worker is somebody who can stage something but it make it look believable, even if it's really not?
Now that's a 150 pound man. 150-170 is like a really jacked woman, a Beth Phoenix type. Ronda Rousey, who cuts to make 135, is jacked, and would murder-kill someone who wasn't trained. So now we're talking about that same weight class, except it's a person whose gender renders them at a disadvantage on top of being 80-100 pounds less than their opponent. See how ridiculous that is? Fine, Rey beats Kane. If you find me a female wrestler who is a 200+ pounder, has equal strength to Rey (which means she'd probably have to be 10-15 pounds bigger than him), and has the speed of Rey, I'll concede your point. But you can't, because a female of that size would "move like a heavyweight". 200 pounds is MASSIVE for a female. So the one equalizer that a smaller person has over a bigger one, speed, is off the table. Hate to pull this card, but if anyone here knows combat it's me, Holz, and I can promise you, the only way a 150 pound female beats a giant man like Kane is if he's a regular dude off the street with no experience...and it's STILL an uphill battle.
I don't care about super realism, but at the end of the day, crazy choreographic moves aside, the crowd has to believe that the underdog can win. 600 smarks cheering for a fan-favorite chick beating Claudio whoever-the-hell at an indie show is one thing. Do that in the main event of a sold out arena in front of 15,000 people (including little kids) and your product is DOA. The wonderful thing about children is that they have incredible bullsh*t detection abilities, as they haven't been tainted by political correctness and generally have no regard for people's feelings. A 10 year old boy sees a muscled up wrestler lose to a 135 pound woman in sparkly attire. What do you think his reaction is? Yup - "Aww that guy SUCKS! He lost to a GIRL!" Congrats Claudio, society's a better place because of you, but that kid would never wear your t-shirt in a million years. And the average fan? They don't say it like the kid did, they know better, but they are damn sure thinking it.
Love women's MMA, really getting more into women's wrestling (real women, not 110 pound swimsuit models throwing slappy punches), but mixing the genders into a single division would cause me to laugh and never watch again. Just the fact that you say "cootie infestation" makes me know you would rather make this about political correctness than actually explaining how one sells a female going over a heavyweight or light heavyweight male. Outside of hardcore wrestling forums, I'm not sure this is even a legit debate, in all honestly, that's how laughable it all is. There is a reason why major wrestling companies, led by both men and women, written by both female and male writers, have never seriously tried putting this over, and it's got nothing to do with sexism.
